Dennis,
I don’t drink that much in the way of young Burgundy anymore, but I am a fan of what I have tasted from 2021.
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I haven’t tasted every vintage, but I actually find quite a bit of flesh in CdB from 2012 and onwards, although I think the winemaking changes have been discussed to death on these boards (or was it Disorder). Regardless, I remain a fan across vintages and was mainly putting the disclaimer out there for readers to place in context.
This was from Panzers offer a few weeks ago.
2023 Vosne Romanée villages les Chalandins
“Now that the Mugneret Gibourg portion of this cuvée has been removed, there are but a scant two barrels made, roughly 50 cases. True to form, the sexier, riper, warmer aspects from Chalandins’ northern position and richer soils are clear as day.”
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I see; MG must put this vineyard into their VR villages.
Much oak on this? I recently tried the '21 Vosne village and did NOT care for it. Dominated by oak notes and wood tannins. Obviously, '21 was a much tougher vintage.
The 21s got 100% new oak for a year; you probably need to lay them down for a bit.
I really didn’t notice any oak at all, so I’d assume it’s a product of the vintage. This wine was dominated by potpourri notes, I drank the entire bottle by myself last night it was delicious.
I think the 16s were made with 20% new oak.
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I find this to be true. I’ve had 2016 Chandon de Briailles Corton Bressandes and 2015 CdB Iles de Vergelesses in the past couple of weeks and they have both been quite rich and sumptuous compared to the 2010 and older wines I’ve had (2019 CdB Iles de Vergelesses from last year showed similarly fleshy).
Drinking the 2006 CdB Corton Bressandes really brought the difference into focus for me. CdB are still great wines, but they seem different now (and I say this as someone who generally prefers vivid snap in wine in general)
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More 2008 disappointment. This time was a 2008 chambolle Baudes from Hubert lignier. Merely fine but after the same bottle 2 years ago, this was disappointing. Fruit has left the station and the wine felt thin. I’ve had some meh 2008s lately and wonder if they are entering another closed period or are they starting to fall off.
I have had the 08 Lignier Clos de la Roche last year and this year, and it’s been good both times; haven’t had the 1er or village wines though.
I have a couple 08 Lignier Charnes, may pop one soon . . .
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My guess is that 2008s are pretty inconsistent, so difficult to make generalisations beyond that :)! Had a pleasant upside with a Geantet Pansiot Charmes recently, but a very ho hum Perrot Minot Mazoyeres. Last time I had the Hudelot vosne 1ers and GCs they were lovely.
2012 Fourrier Gevrey Chambertin Aux Echezeaux
This bottle was ready to go. Very strawberry-forward but maybe not as sweet as I find some of the Bruno Clair wines I’ve gotten to try and not nearly as refined (or with the same depth of aromatics) as Rousseau. A little leathery with spice and black tea notes on the finish - though overall finish is surprisingly short. The second glass brought cranberries to the forefront and was a little gamier with a softer texture. Overall simple, tasty, and easy to drink.
Decided to open for fun as my significant other had made a great dinner - what better way to kick off 2026 than with Fourrier on a Friday!
Looking back, this was the 3rd ever bottle of Burgundy I had bought. (First two were a 2015 Guyon Vosne Romanee and a 2017 Cossard MSD). I didn’t really know what I was doing then but I’m still really glad I grabbed this as I’ve come to enjoy Fourrier’s wines. In the years since I’ve gone to 2 Paulees where his wines have been and have been lucky to have Fourrier side-by-side with the likes of Rousseau and Gibourg. While this doesn’t make me an expert - and I’m basing this on a handful of experiences - I’m definitely starting to feel like they lack the complexity and aromatics I’ve been finding (and seeking) in wines made by Rousseau, Gibourg, Tremblay, etc. For the price, Fourrier is very hard to beat and this wine IS excellent, but opening this sort of affirms to me that I’ll be buying more from different producers more heavily going forward.
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Again another producer-specific vintage question. Any thought or recent experiences with Mugneret-Gibourg’s 2008, 2013, 2014 or 2016? Thinking about trying another bottle from them soon and leaning to 2008 or 2013. Again cc’ing @MChang as I see you drink a lot of their wine.
08 mg is nice, especially the Vosne Romanee, although I haven’t had the grand crus in awhile. We had the 14 and 16 clos vougeot at paulee verticals last year and they showed well. I had 13 ruchottes last and this year and they were charming.
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Thank you. Sounds like it’s hard to go wrong with MG!
Certainly hugely better than they were in the 1990s. Are they just a bit dull nowadays?
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No I think the wines have gone from strength to strength. The 22s were joyful, with lots of energy and verve.
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I think this is true for pinot sediment, generally speaking (not just Lafarge)