Recent red burgundy vintage experiences

I thought it would be fun to talk about recent experiences to gauge how wines are drinking currently. I’m keeping this to red burgundy but would be interested in experiences with whites as well.

Here are some of my data points:

1996:

A bit of a mixed bag. I generally think 96s need more time to really blossom. Rousseau CSJ was reasonably open aromatically, as it was in 2022, but a bit tight in the palate with less expansive finish. DRC RSV was a bit tighter and not too generous at this time. DRC Richebourg was also very tight. I often wonder, as with 2005s, when these wines will be ready, if ever.

1998:

I’ve really loved all the wines I’ve had from this vintage lately. 98 Roumier Bonnes Mares was singing, 98 Rousseau Ruchottes and CSJ were both wonderful, 98 DRC Richebourg and La Tache were great. I haven’t heard much here about 1998, but I do think it’s drinking very well. I did like Lignier CDLR the multiple times I’ve had it recently.

1999:

Another mixed bag here. Some absolutely fabulous wines in the last couple years like 1999 La Tache, but a lot of wines have actually seemed really tight recently (although maybe they’ve come around) like DRC Richebourg. Roumier Bonnes Mares was as tight as a drum earlier this year, but all of the Rousseau wines I’ve had have been great. I still think this is a fantastic vintage but again probably more time is needed.

2000:

I’ve generally really liked all the wines I’ve opened from this vintage lately. La Tache was fantastic, Trapet Chambertin was great, Rousseau CSJ was superb. I’ve found 2000 and 2001 to be pretty similar, with perhaps just a bit more fruit in 2000.

2001:

I’ve had a lot of 2001s recently and they’ve generally been fantastic. Rousseau Chambertin, CSJ and Beze were outstanding, La Tache (multiple bottles) was wonderful, DRC Richebourg, RC, and RSV were all great, and Trapet Chambertin was fantastic. The only bottle that wasn’t benchmark for me was the 01 Anne Gros Richebourg which was still very good.

2002:

Another vintage which is to me, drinking in the zone, perhaps even a bit better than 2001, at least to my palate. La Tache and Rousseau Chambertin were both fantastic and the only wine I found tight was unsurprisingly, Roumier Bonnes Mares.

2003:

Interested to hear people’s experiences here, I haven’t opened anything from this vintage recently but don’t have much.

2004:

I’ve only had La Tache which was good, but otherwise have avoided this vintage like the plague.

2005:

No one has opened anything from this vintage lately, likely for good reason, any recent experiences? The only bottle I had was a bottle of Liger Belair Clos de Chateau last year which was very nice.

2006:

I’ve only had a few 06 recently, Mugneret Gibourg Clos Vougeot and Angerville Ducs, and both were sort of blocky and uninspiring. Any recent experiences?

2007:

I’ve generally found this vintage to be very open and drinking well. I have a few nice bottles queued up for next month so am very interested to see what other people have been seeing with this vintage.

2008:

I love this vintage, and have had a few great bottles lately. La Tache was fire, Lignier CDLR was great, Rousseau Ruchottes was wonderful, and I’ve really found the aromatics to be enticing.

2009:

I haven’t had much from this vintage recently; I think it’s likely going to be great, sort of similarly to 2002, if perhaps not better, but likely the wines aren’t ready. I read some tasting notes from 2009 lately that make me think it needs quite a bit more time.

2010:

I’ve had a few 2010 of late which have been just superb. DRC RC and LT were both amazing, Rousseau Chambertin was great, and even Roumier Bonnes Mares was drinking well. Some people have said they think the wines won’t go the distance and I’m not sure I really agree, but am interested to hear what others think.

2011:

No recent experiences

2012:

I think this is a vintage that will end up being superb, but right now is in a bit of an awkward place. I have only had a few bottles lately such as Fourrier CSJ and Griotte; the CSJ was pretty open, while the Griotte probably needed more time. I’m going to try to open a few more bottles next year and I guess we’ll see.

2013:

I’ve REALLY liked this vintage recently, especially from Rousseau but my recent experience has been a little less positive. In the past, Rousseau CDLR was superb, the Chambertin and Beze were tight but showed potential, and CSJ was drinking pretty well. We opened the Ruchottes from Rousseau and MG last month and I thought the Rousseau was tight while the MG was pretty, as you’d expect.

2014:

I haven’t opened anything from 2014 in a few years; the DRCs I had a few years ago were very tight. Any recent experiences with these? @Alex_Valdes did open the 14 Roumier Cras a couple years ago and that did open up in time.

2015:

I haven’t opened many 2015s of my own lately, and only had a few from others, but have actually been really impressed with the wines that were opened. The La Tache was fantastic and even Roumier Bonnes Mares was drinking well. When it was released it was a hyped vintage, and became less so with many people saying they thought 16 was better, but we’ll see how it plays out in the end.

2016:

I’ve had a few 16s of late which I’ve really liked. Rousseau CSJ, Chambertin and Beze were all fantastic, and the Bruno Clair CSJ and Beze were also great. I do think the wines are very structured and less open than the 17s though.

2017:

One of my favorite vintages and along with 19 this makes up the largest holdings by vintage in my cellar. I’ve opened multiple bottltes of all the Rousseau wines lately, and they’ve been drinking well in a primary sort of way, especially the Ruchottes. MG Clos Vougeot was a bit tight, although the Ruchottes was wide open.

2018:

I think these wines will turn out better than people think. I’ve opened a few lately that were shockingly good, and while it’s hard to say how they’ll do in the long run, I do really like the ones I’ve had, such as La Tache, TLB Richeborg, Lignier CDLR, and others.

2019:

Perhaps for my palate, this may be the best vintage in the last 20 years or so. It’s still drinking pretty well although I’m not sure how much longer the window will be open. 19 Rousseau CSJ and Chambertin were superb, Roumier Bonnes Mares was lovely in a primary sort of way, and DRC Corton was singing. I will probably keep opening 19s because I have a lot, but I expect they may shut down at some point soon.

2020:

This is a weird vintage and the wines I’ve had (mostly village and 1er) have been strange. Most have been muted and very dark fruited. I’m not sure how the wines will turn out, but certainly wouldn’t drink any right now.

2021:

I haven’t opened anything higher than village level here, but have just adored the wines I’ve opened. They’ve been floral, pretty, and very drinkable. Interested to hear about 1er and grand cru experiences.

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No poll?

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poll for what? I’m just interested in data points.

No time to reply comprehensively, but 1997, 2000, 2001 and 2007 are drinking fine, some 2002 and 2006 - lesser 2005 can be tried.
Some 2004 are now better than expected, but look and taste 10+ years older.
2003: many 2003 are drinking very well, even GCs, but in the style of the vintage, full colour, a bit plummy, full fruit, lower acidity but not or only marginally hot, often reall good and full - with less tension than 2002 and 2001

Past threads on the topic would have a poll asking “what vintages are you drinking now?”. Helpful visualization and you see where others heads are at. Perhaps the poll could be more specific to "1er cru’ or village etc.

Yeah, I think that ends up being a shitshow of people arguing over what vintages are better. I would rather just have people reply with their thoughts about specific wines.

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good thread topic michael…some recent experiences:

2006: volnay…generally not good. i think 2006 was cdb’s worst year in the last 20. d’angerville did particularly poorly as we’ve heard from the man himself and from recent experiences. ive had better experiences with lafarge but i would avoid the vintage for beaune generally.

2007: volnay again…drinking very well. a d’angerville champans drank in april was the best one ive ever had and i generally dont love champans. not fireworks but representative of the terroir and offering immense pleasure.

2008: continues to overdeliver for me. hubert lignier generally killed it in 2008. a chambolle baudes was my wine of the year last year. chevillon did well. the acid helped villages like nsg and gevrey in my opinion.

2009: less enjoyable than its reputation. a little flat…needs more acid.

2010: generally great vintage that offers pure fruit of 2009 but the vibrancy of a good 2008. i love this vintage and surprised at how well 1ers are drinking now.

2011: volnay did very well in 2011. great vintage for terroir to shine. pure wines that continue to impress. not fireworks again but more enjoyable than 2007.

i had a rather mediocre trapet chapelle chambertin a month ago from 2011 that was shrill and slightly vegetal with no fruit. also a 2011 lignier chambolle baudes earlier this year was a disappointment. it made me stop considering any 2011 cdn wines no matter the price.

2012: i had several d’angerville 2012s recently including a taillepieds this past monday that just floored me. absolutely in the zone…beautiful red cherries. one of the best wines ive had this year. a 2012 caillerets last year also was a big surprise. i think d’angerville’s 2012s were great despite the weather challenges.

also had several domaine des croix 2012s that were super impressive for beaune 1er.

2013: havent had any recently but chevillon did well in this vintage. underrated and i know michael would agree.

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Yeah, the 08 Lignier CDLR was crazy good last month. It was more wild and aromatic than I’m used to from the producer which may be a characteristic of the vintage, but it was very close to WOTN on an evening with multiple Rousseau and DRC bottles opened. I think Eileen did actually call it her WOTN.

I’ve had recent good luck with '96 (Roumier Cras), '99 (Roumier Cras–needs time but approachable to me), '01 Roumier BM, '01 Dujac Gruenchers (wide open), '02 Meo Clos Vougeot (ditto), '06 various Meo, '07 Roumier AC, '07 Dujac Malconsorts, '11 Fourrier Gevrey (surprisingly fresh, no green), '12 DRC Ech. '17s (Bachelet, Bize, Mugnier) remain open and delicious.

Less luck with '05s (Roumier Cras–all structure; d’Angerville shut down hard),

Mixed luck with '13s (some wines open–Fourrier, Roumier AC, some completely closed–Roumier Cras), '18s (Roumier AC shut down hard, Bachelet Charmes absolutely gorgeous, DRC Petits Monts on fire, Arnoux Lachaux NSG delicious). Some '19s starting to shut (Roumier Morey) but DRC Corton was gorgeous, as were a couple bottles of Arnoux Lachaux Pinot Fin. Two bottles of 2020 A-L Pinot Fin, otoh, were both odd.

On deck: '04 Mugnier Fuees (not holding my breath) and '05 Marechale, '14 and '16 Roumier AC, '14 Bouley Volnay, '15 Lamy Goujonne, '02 Drouhin Mouches, some newer release ('20-'22) Mugnier, Cathiard, Charles Lachaux, Hudelot-Noellat, and Felettig.

Excellent idea to group some data points, Michael :clap:. I’ll probably keep adding posts throughout the day.

2013 Chambolle 1er Crus have been very, very nice for me. With 45 minute decants. Producers like Drouin and Jadot. And last year 2013 Volnay 1er Crus showed well, too.

2017 Has been a phenomenal drinking vintage for me. The Rousseau & M-G Ruchottes as the standouts. But I had a very nice Tremblay Vosne Romanée V.V. recently, too. And, simply as a vintage data point, of the handful of “Backyard” Morey St. Denis Sorbes I’ve had from recent vintages, the 17 was absolutely the best.

2021 Very fun to see your enthusiasm for this one. I’ve been fortunate to try most of William’s recent vintages for both the Chambolle & the Gevrey, and the '21 Chambolle remains my absolute favorite. Blown away by how wonderful it showed.

When Jeremy Holmes wrote up his Roumier Cras Vertical, we had a nice conversation on how well the 13 and 21 showed. So, I like that synchronicity.

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Have Lafarge Chenes queued up, which I’m looking forward to. I haven’t had any 2011 in several years but should be opening a few wines in the next year or so, including Clos des Ducs. When I last tried them, I thought they were very good.

Very quick-hit thoughts based on a not-huge sample size (limited to vintages where I have some recent sample):

98 - variable but agree the higher-end wines are doing well. Jadot Beze has been awesome now for many years.

99 - still young and beastly but jfc are they good. A vintage that lived up to the hype.

00/01 - i’ve loved them for so many years but I’ve now had some that are on the downslope. i think all but the highest-end 00s have probably peaked.

02 - just lovely and has been for a very long time. such an attractive and pure sweetness.

05 - some are really starting to blossom. some tight. i remain an optimist and think the fruit will survive and these will be great. hold.

06 - as you say, this has not turned out well. not flawed but hard and not exciting.

07 - variable. excellent volnay. went from underrated to maybe overrated.

08 - variable. top wines/GCs are excellent. recent rousseau CSJ was superb. lower wines are occasionally too acidic or have aged quickly. chevillon disappointing.

09 - underrated on release. then properly rated as amazing. but my recent experiences have maybe not been as good as those from a few years ago. kind of a roller-coaster.

10 - always amazing and still amazing, though i’ve had a couple that have aged more quickly than expected. a recent Barthod was spellbinding.

11 - i never liked much but need to revisit

12 - always been a fan. still a fan. always been underrated. can be ripe and big but oh so tasty.

14 - classical but kind of hard. always have been. prices have been good, so i have a fair bit. but not a vintage i reach for often. a recent M-G Vosne AOC fit this–good fruit but a bit rough and austere.

15 - an all-timer but hold.

16 - maybe not the best, but my pet favorite. classical yet with plenty of fruit. many (including a Lumpp 1er last night) drinking beautifully. just lovely.

17 - still delicious. i think these will always be good.

18 - i was optimistic (great fruit), then pessimistic (too ripe, esp Gouges), and now perhaps optimistic again after a KILLER '18 Bruno Clair CSJ. i’m a buyer when at a discount.

19 - my favorite red burg vintage of my lifetime. so good young from the most basic wines to the highest echelon.

20 - lumped together with 19 by many but not nearly as good. many too ripe/dark. still, this will be good long-term.

21 - love it love it love it. has more of the 16 classical quality with great transparency but no lack of fruit.

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I think people will really like 18 and 09 in time. We’ll see in 10-20 years.

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2005 Lafarge Beaune Greves tasted like it needed 20+ years to shed tannins.

Interesting topic. I’d kick back very hard indeed upon the idea that it’s all about the ‘top’ wines cited. It is not, at least if one is interested in maximum drinking pleasure.
96 is pretty much there and if it’s not probably won’t be-95 is clearly far more consequential. 97 is past its best, 98 struggling to hold on to its extraordinary magic, 99 fabulous at the lower end, depressing at the top, 2000 still nice on the Cote de Nuits, 2001 rapidly passing its best even at the top end, 2002 getting there in a delightful way. 2003 generally hugely disappointing, 2004 full of joy-more so than 2005, which is generally surly with some glorious exceptions, 06 just OK, 2007 surprisingly delightful, 2008 on the Cote de Nuits very much on the downslope,and anything after I don’t have enough experience though if one wants to drink the top stuff 2011 is the way to go.

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1996:

A lot of tightness, but lots of pleasure with the right wines. Mugnier Musigny was a delight and Tache was enjoyable along with Rousseau Beze and CSJ.

1997:

Only bottle I’ve had is the Leroy RSV, which was very good, but I’m pretty sure this vintage is worth passing.

1998:

Mugnier Amoureuses and Vogue Musigny were nice, but light and forgettable.

1999:

Tache was very good. DRC Rich was almost undrinkable.

2000:

Incredible nose and class from this vintage. I’ve loved it from the first 00 Tache I had back around 2010. Open for business.

2001:

Always fabulous. Rousseau Chambertin was lit multiple times. DRC RSV/Rich/Tache, fabulous. But my absolute favorite 01 has been the DRC Monty (not red obviously). Even the Faiveley Beze was very good.

2002:

Great. DRC RSV/GE/Tache were fabulous. Mortet Chambertin was very good. Bouchard BM had a great floral nose. I love when I see an 02 being opened.

2003:

Far too many experiences here (anniversary year) with very little success. DRC RSV was very good, if a bit stemmy.

2004:

DRC RSV was actually quite good, but not much experience here.

2005:

Dujac Ech was fire. I need cases of this wine. Lots of others haven’t been ready.

2006:

Not a great vintage, but open for business. Just never quite shines against better vintages.

2007:

Haven’t had much here lately, but DRC Rich was good.

2008:

Not much here lately, but decent experiences.

2009:

Still needs lots of time, but definitely going to be a great vintage. Best recently was H-N CM Village. Ready to go.

2010:

Broad and muscular wines that have the whole package. Really love these wines, but haven’t had many opened lately.

2011:

Avoid. Cathiard RSV was decent, but just avoid.

2012:

Avoid Dujac 12s for sure. Confuron RSV was nice as was Gros Frere Rich. Tache always incredible.

2013:

M-G Ruchottes is perfect. CLB Reignots was quite good as well. Just such a soft, lovely vintage right now.

2014:

Drinking the whites now, but not reds. DRC RSV recently was surprisingly good as was Rousseau CSJ.

2015:

Lots of good experiences here lately. H-N RSV, Millot GE, Cathiard Malconsorts, A-L RSV. Lots of room to develop, but lovely, fruit forward with lots of substance.

2016:

Just really closed and not ready. Dujac CdlR, Meo Rich, Meo Cros P. Cros P was definitely the best of the bunch.

2017:

Drinking tons of this lately. Tache has been fabulous several times. TLB Charmes, D-L Beze, DRC Corton - even Roumier BM was singing. But once again the best bottle I’ve had from this vintage is the DRC Monty!

2018:

Lovely, but not a powerhouse and I think in an awkward phase right now. Rousseau CdlR, Meo Cros P were lovely. Tache was quite disjointed.

2019:

Drinking tons of village and 1er here, but not too many GCs yet. Rousseau Chambertin was a beast that has it all and just keeps coming. TLB Charmes was also spectacular. L’Arlot RSV is graceful and sultry and quite balanced. This is going to be very good for a very long time.

2020:

Too dark and closed now to do anything here.

2021:

Light and beautiful, but too early to tell. Haven’t been buying many GCs here and have only popped a few lower end stuff.

There’s a lot to take in and talk about in this thread, so will dip my toe with just a couple of observations for now :).

1996 remains largely a tough ask. It’s a bit like boarding school: I’m sure people will say it’s good for me, but perhaps the experience should be more fun. Frankly, Rousseau’s 1993s and 1999s seem far better to me. The best wines I’ve had are Vogue Amoreuses and Mugnier Musigny, both quite thrilling.

2005s are also (still) quite hard. I have hope great wines will emerge, and the Mugnier Amoreuses is particularly delightful. I’m not sure all other “great” wines will emerge from their structures like that though. I expect some disappointments.

Echoing @Andrew_K, 2014 DRC RSV was surprisingly open recently.

Had a very nice 2012 D’angerville Taillpieds that felt like it was just waking up from a slumber, got better and better as it sat in the glass. Thanks @jprusack

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Interesting, I haven’t had 14 drc rsv since the one we had in nyc, nice to hear it’s drinking well as I have a lot.

Interesting, that’s almost the opposite of my experience except with 03 and 07.