First Bordeaux purchase: Your budget recommendations

Hi,

This is my first post here, thanks for having me. If I’m doing something wrong, please reach out (my apologies in advance).

So, I was raised on Pinot (mainly Burgundy) and Bordeaux was always frowned upon in my circles. I’d say I appreciate both wines in the accessible new natural style and in the traditional fashion with a fine-boned and ethereal presentation. Recently, however, I am becoming more interested in wines with a more tannic structure. I think the only Bordeaux I ever tried was a Chateau Talbot, but I can’t recall that.

I want to purchase a case of Bordeaux from a German merchant to gain an impression. I was thinking of using ‘Aux Fins Gourmet’ (merchant name, hope it’s OK to share that) because they feature a broad range of Bordeaux with an impressive back catalogue. This is the mix I’m thinking of:

1 x bottle of Barsac/Sauternes
1 x white wine (preferably Semillon or a Semillon dominated blend)
4 x reds: one younger and accessible wine from the right bank (or a Merlot dominated blend) and something a little more mature. And something younger and accessible from the Left Bank (or a Cabernet Sauvignon dominated blend) and something a little more mature.

I don’t care if the wines are ‘classified’ or not.

As for my preferences, I’m a student, and I want to gain an impression of Bordeaux first. If I like Bordeaux, I’m happy to save for later purchases, but now I don’t want to get the best but the most ‘representative’ (at the lowest price possible). Thus, I’m looking for budget recommendations (more in the ‘how low can you go lane’ than ‘comparably cheap among first growths range’). Budget recommendations means less than 35 Euro, preferably around 20. Demis are fine of course.

I know that terroir is a tricky and different notion in Bordeaux than in Burgundy. That being said, I like traditional or sustainable wineries (not necessarily certified). I’m fond of wine-making that takes place in the vineyard and not in the cellar (I’m aware that that’s an artificial bifurcation). I don’t like high abv, a lot of new oak, over-ripeness, and too much extraction. However, I wouldn’t mind trying a modern style Bordeaux to understand that kind of wine, which seems to be very influential in the region.

Excited to hear your thoughts and thanks a lot for your attention!

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Young and accessible, I’d maybe go for 2019 Gloria. Left Bank more mature, Cantemerle or Sociando Mallet are good choices.

For white, I quite enjoy the Clementin de Pape Clement which is the second white wine from the chateau

Lanessan
Lillian ladoys
Chasse spleen
Cantemerle
Siran

In the same bit as OP. Was looking at the below for about the same price as WS low:

2020 Branaire Ducru
2019 Gloria
2015 Gloria
2020 Clos du Marquis

Thoughts?

Dear Steve, thank you I appreciate this.

Here’s my summary as of now:

Left bank accessible
2019 Gloria

Left bank mature
Cantermerle: I can get 2000, 2005, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2023): Do you have a recommendation?
Sociando Mallet: I have access to 1989, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2009, 2011, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2023. Any preferences?

White wine
Clementin de Pape Clement: I can only get 2018. Any thoughts on the vintage?

Thank you for your input.

Left bank (These are all from the Left Bank, right?)
Lanessan: 2001, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018, 2020, 2023: Would you buy a more mature or a younger vintage? Any specific favorites?
Lilian Ladouys: 2003, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2018, 2020, 2021, 2023: Young or mature?
Chasse Spleen: 1982, 1996, 2000, 2001, 2005, 2008, 2010, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023: Which vintage do you recommend?
Chateau Siran: 2004, 2005, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023: Opinions?

For the left bank mature, I’d just stay 2005 and earlier. You could try the 2012 Cantemerle, actually I find the 2012 Sociando drinks really well now, unfortunately not there.

I don’t pay too much attention to white bordeaux vintages, I think a Clementin de Pape Clement from any vintage is a decent entry.

For a young right bank, perhaps consider Les Cruzelles from the Durantou stable. I see they have the 2020, which I haven’t tasted, but reviews say it compares favourably to the '19, which was awesome and a screaming value.

I love this château and have lots of it.

If you can find the 1989 or the 1990, well stored, grab it.

2000 - oddly herbaceous given the warmth of the vintage, but I love this vintage of the wine, a Chinon lovers Sociando

2003 - The product of a solar year, it is warm round and accessible, a really fine effort in this vintage

2005 - an excellent wine, very structured and needs time. I would not touch it for another five years minimum.

2009 - turned out fine for the vintage, but more gloss and alcohol than I generally prefer

2011 - pass

2014 - A truly outstanding wine, not just for this château, but also as representative of the classic vintage. I bought two cases of this wine, plus magnum of the Jean Gautreau Cuvee

2015 - pass, overly-ripe vintage, though admittedly others might be fans

The legendary Jean Gautreau recently passed away, so I have not invested much in more recent vintages, and understand he had minimal involvement in 2016. I bought some, but have not tried them.

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Figured it was only a matter of time until @Robert.A.Jr showed up!

Thanks all.

Here’s my summary so far:

Right bank accessible:

Chateau Les Cruzelles 2020

Left bank accessible:

2019 Gloria

Left bank mature:

2003 or 2014 Chateau Sociando Mallet.

Cantemerle 2012

Lanessan? Lilian Ladouys? Chasse Spleen? Chateau Siran?

White wine:

Clementin de Pape Clement blanc 2018

Meyney and Ormes de Pez. See Does Bordeaux provide the best QPR wines in the world right now? - WINE TALK - WineBerserkers

For Sauternes, compare a Barsac (definitely Chateau Climens) with a Sauternes (say Rieussec or Suduiraut). Very different animals. Climens is so elegant while the Sauternes tend to be rich and powerful. To keep the price down, get 1/2 bottles. With these, a little goes a long way.

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Thank you Howard.

Barsac
Since I prefer elegance, I think a Barsac (Climens) sounds good for a first try. I can get 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011. Any favorites?

Left bank
Chateau Meyney: 1982, 1986, 2009, 2014, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023: Favorites?
Chateau Ormes de Pez: 2000, 2004, 2005, 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2023: Recommendations?

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Welcome, Paul.

Looks like the WB Crew has you covered with the Left Bank. For the Right Bank, if you can find the 2019 or 2020 Laroque, grab it. In the US it ranges from $30 to $40. And for Barsac/Sauternes, I would recommend Coutet. You can probably find a nice selection of vintages. It is a very food-friendly wine.

Cheers!

That’s a great reco! Tasty stuff, even if a wee bit glossy. I bought a fair bit. It’s a chugger and a crowd pleaser.

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Thanks for the great input. I’ve updated the list with questions (bold):

Right bank mature: missing

Right bank accessible:

Chateau Les Cruzelles 2020

Moulin Saint Georges: I can only get 2009 or 2015 (recommendations?)

Wrt Jean Faure 2019: Do you mean the Grand Cru Classe or the La Reserve?

Chateau Laroque 2019, 2020

Left bank accessible:

Tronquoy Lalande: only 2012, 14, 15 available (Favorites?)

Left bank mature:

2003 or 2014 Chateau Sociando Mallet.

D’Armailhac 2012

Left bank?

Chateau Meyney: 1982, 1986, 2009, 2014, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023: Favorites?
Chateau Ormes de Pez: 2000, 2004, 2005, 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2023: Recommendations?

White wine:

Clementin de Pape Clement blanc 2018

Barsac

Climens: 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011 (Advice on vintages)

Sauternes

Château Coutet 2007? (Any opinion?)

Château Ducru-Beaucaillou La Croix Ducru Beaucaillou

Dame de Montrose

Welcome to the club! I know the people from ‘Aux Fins Gourmet. They’re a good, trustworthy merchant. Why not ask the owner for tips and build a relationship with them? Once they learn what you like and don’t, you’ll get better tips as time goes on as well.

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Thank you:

Left Bank
La Dame Montrose: 2000, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 (preferences?)

La Croix Ducru Beaucaillou: 2019, 2020 (favorites)?