Thanks for the friendly welcome Jeff. That’s an excellent suggestion, thank you. I’ll definitely cross-reference my ideas with them. However, I wanted to approach them with a few ideas in mind.
Last time I had the 2000 Dame Montrose it tasted young still but very enjoyable. So out of the vintages you listed I would go with 2000.
La Croix Ducru Beaucaillou, cant go wrong with '19 or '20. Just buy whatever is cheaper.
I’ve updated the list with questions (bold):
Right bank mature: missing
Right bank accessible:
Chateau Les Cruzelles 2020
Moulin Saint Georges: I can only get 2009 or 2015 (recommendations?)
Wrt Jean Faure 2019: Do you mean the Grand Cru Classe or the La Reserve?
Chateau Laroque 2019, 2020
Left bank accessible:
Tronquoy Lalande: only 2012, 14, 15 available (Favorites?)
La Croix Ducru Beaucaillou 2019
Left bank mature:
2003 or 2014 Chateau Sociando Mallet.
D’Armailhac 2012
Left bank?
Chateau Meyney: 1982, 1986, 2009, 2014, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023: Favorites?
Chateau Ormes de Pez: 2000, 2004, 2005, 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2023: Recommendations?
White wine:
Clementin de Pape Clement blanc 2018
Barsac
Climens: 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011 (Advice on vintages)
Sauternes
Château Coutet 2007? (Any opinion?)
If you can get the 1986 Meyney and the provenance and pricing are good, I’d definitely get it.
Thank you for the input.
I’ve updated the list with questions (bold):
Right bank mature: missing
Right bank accessible:
Chateau Les Cruzelles 2020
Moulin Saint Georges: I can only get 2009 or 2015 (recommendations?)
Wrt Jean Faure 2019: Do you mean the Grand Cru Classe or the La Reserve?
Chateau Laroque 2019, 2020
Left bank accessible:
Tronquoy Lalande: only 2012, 14, 15 available (Favorites?)
La Croix Ducru Beaucaillou 2019
Left bank mature:
2003 or 2014 Chateau Sociando Mallet.
D’Armailhac 2012
Chateau Meyney: 1986
Left bank?
Chateau Ormes de Pez: 2000, 2004, 2005, 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2023: Recommendations?
White wine:
Clementin de Pape Clement blanc 2018
Barsac
Climens: 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011 (Advice on vintages)
Sauternes
Château Coutet 2007? (Any opinion?)
Some yak palate dude in this forum once said this about the 1986 Meyney…
It might be a bit long in the tooth at this point, but if I found a well stored bottle, I would snag it.
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If you can get 1986 Ch. Meyney, go for it. I like the 2014 but it is a bit young still.
2015 Tronquoy Lalande is excellent, but needs air.
2016 Lalande Borie is excellent.
2010 La Dame de Montrose is outstanding.
2012 Lanessan is very good.
2016 Ormes de Pez is excellent & better than 2018 right now.
Thank you! Wrt La Dame de Montrose, I can only access these vintages: 2000, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 (preferences?)
I’ve updated the list with questions (bold):
Right bank mature: missing – perhaps the Moulin Saint Georges 2009 or 2015? Other suggestions?
Right bank accessible:
Chateau Les Cruzelles 2020
Wrt Jean Faure 2019: Do you mean the Grand Cru Classe or the La Reserve?
Chateau Laroque 2019, 2020
Left bank accessible:
Tronquoy Lalande: 2015
La Croix Ducru Beaucaillou 2019
Lalande Borie 2016
Chateau Ormes de Pez: 2016
Left bank mature:
2003 or 2014 Chateau Sociando Mallet.
D’Armailhac 2012
Chateau Meyney: 1986, 2014
Chateau Lanessan 2012
Left bank?
La Dame Montrose: 2000, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 (preferences?)
White wine:
Clementin de Pape Clement blanc 2018
Barsac
Climens: 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011 (Advice on vintages)
Sauternes
Château Coutet 2007 (Any opinions?)
2014 Lanessan > 2012 Lanessan
Also excellent are 05 and 09.
They brought in Hubert Bouard for 2015, not a fan of the change, more gloss. I have heard from some traditional palates that 2019 is very good. I need to grab some.
I like both the 2014 and 2016 but the 2010 is a cut above, for sure. No experience with other vintages yet.
Robert, thank you. I changed the 12 to the 14 Lanessan.
Do you have any thoughts on a drinkable/enjoyable slightly mature right bank (or generally a Merlot dominated blend)? Moulin Saint Georges 2009 or 2015, perhaps?
Also, would you recommend the 2019 Grand Cru Classe or the La Reserve from Jean Faure?
Lastly, do you think Coutet 2007 is a good choice for Barsac or do you have any advice on these Climens vintages (2004, 2007, 2008)?
Updated list below with questions in bold:
drinkable/enjoyable slightly mature Right Bank: missing – perhaps the Moulin Saint Georges 2009 or 2015? Other suggestions?
Right Bank young/accessible:
Chateau Les Cruzelles 2020
Wrt Jean Faure 2019: Do you mean the Grand Cru Classe or the La Reserve?
Chateau Laroque 2019, 2020
Left Bank young/accessible:
Tronquoy Lalande: 2015
La Croix Ducru Beaucaillou 2019
Lalande Borie 2016
Chateau Ormes de Pez: 2016
La Dame de Montrose 2016
drinkable/enjoyable slightly mature Left Bank:
2003 or 2014 Chateau Sociando Mallet.
D’Armailhac 2012
Chateau Meyney: 1986, 2014
Chateau Lanessan 2014
White wine:
Clementin de Pape Clement blanc 2018
Barsac
Climens: 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2011 (Advice on vintages)
Sauternes
Château Coutet 2007 (Any opinions?)
Thank you. I have added the 2016 for the La Dame de Montrose. Unfortunately, the 2010 and 2014 are not in stock…
nothing less than 20 years in Bordeaux is mature.
Drinkable/enjoyable perhaps.
But do yourself a favor and get mature in the mature category.
I’ll leave it to others who know more but I think 2003 is atypical in both burgundy and Bordeaux
Thanks, Barry, understood. I think in my budget range it’s more accurate to speak of more young/accessible vs has a little bottle age. Changed this to drinkable/enjoyable slightly mature Left/Right Bank
I would bet on that 2016 being fantastic when it is mature. Killer vintage, generally excellent second wine. I need to go grab some still. I popped the 2010 a month or so ago, and while it was young, it really delivered.
Remaining questions:
Do you have any thoughts on a drinkable/enjoyable slightly mature right bank (or generally a Merlot dominated blend)? Moulin Saint Georges 2009 or 2015, perhaps?
Also, would you recommend the 2019 Grand Cru Classe or the La Reserve from Jean Faure?
Lastly, do you think Coutet 2007 is a good choice for Barsac or do you have any advice on the 2008 Climens vintage?
I love Moulin Saint Georges, and I would go for the 2009. Though it is somewhere between aged and accessible.
Tim, thank you. I’ve added the 2009 Moulin Saint Georges. The list is now I almost ‘complete.’ It looks like a great selection to approach the merchant with.
Does anyone have an opinion on the Coutet 2007 and/or 2008 Climens for a Barsac?
Also, so far I have only received one recommendation of a white Bordeaux, namely, Clementin de Pape Clement blanc 2018. Any other recommendations of Semillon dominated-blends?
Lastly, would you recommend the 2019 Grand Cru Classe or the La Reserve from Jean Faure?