So we think they selling $299 a bottle wine that comes from something much less and just trying to con maybe the 1 person who purchases it?
I think it’s very very very likely the stuff in there is prime juice and it actually cost them $150-200 to get it but it hardly reads like a compelling offer.
Got a 95 score under the dN label? Who cares. It’s $299. Also $750 for $299 is lol, especially if it’s not a shiner but leftover juice.
But this isn’t my game. I’m just amazed they even did this. Prob less than 120 bottles total, maybe even less than 60. Maybe just a fun side project.
seems ludicrous lol. Even if we were fully confident the wine inside sells for $750+, once I get to $50+ private label wine it rapidly loses interest to me. At that price point I want the real label, I want 100% confidence of what I’m drinking, and very likely I want to be sharing with others in which case I definitely value the winery label
I think that’s why they got a real score on their private label. But fuck, 95? Needs 99 or 100 at that price point from private label. Whole thing is so strange. They really won’t sell more than a dozen of these, if even 1.
That’s called a scam. They selling a private label wine at $299 marketed at 60% off when the actual producer sells it for 250-300 under their own label? That’s what you’re suggesting? If so, it’s 1000% a scam.
Only way you can get away with the 60% off crap is if the wine in the bottle comes from a place that sells wine at $750+ and some of that wine, if not all of that wine, is in this bottle. Otherwise, it’s - a scam.
While this is all so weird, I am confident they are not trying to commit fraud on selling 1 or 10 or 50 bottles of whatever the hell this is.
It’s 100% not Leflaive. That’s such an absurd idea that a very, very rare and allocated producer would dump their 1er Cru wine to a bulk seller. Let’s be real here, that just did not happen. I’ll bet a hat on that.
Unless it’s some failed fermentation or something like that. But it 110% certainly is not the same wine that is sold by Leflaive. The $750+ is some creative marketing. And if you read the blurb, that’s what it says. “price of entry” “generally begins” “prices like these”. Nowhere does it say this wine sells for $750. He says generally to access wines from this Cru prices can begin from $750 (which is not true of course as there are a lot cheaper P-M Pucelles out there). He talks how the price is driven by the appellation. There just is nothing to link this particular wine to a wine that retails for $750. It’s vague enough that its not scam.
Remember, Cameron used to say this wine sells for $x and now it’s 70% off, when it was actually his winemakers concoction and not the same wine that sold for $x.
Dude, they are selling bottles of wine for $299 - a bottle. Not a case. This isn’t some bulk wine scam using creative marketing. They even got it rated by a critic apparently? They aren’t claiming this is the same exact wine or a shiner. That’s they they got it rated. It’s so very weird. It wasn’t even emailed out. I don’t know what their game is here, I don’t even know what Leflaive is - truly. I’ve literally never heard the word Leflaive in my life until today. I do not know wine. I’m just telling you that I’m certain, without a shadow of doubt, that whatever is in this bottle does not retail for 250-300 under the original label and they are trying to sell it for 299 in their bottle shop as a 750 dollar wine. To what? Make $2000 off the 3 people who buy it? They are not going to sell this wine on this website to really anyone. People on dN are looking for a deep discount and even if they are being scammed, they need to feel like it’s a good deal while being scammed. This checks no good deal boxes. I doubt they sell a single bottle. Beyond that, I have no idea what is happening.
If you had heard of Leflaive, you would know this is not them. These are wines that are sold as 1-2 bottle allocations if you’re lucky and buy enough to even get one.
Just to give you some perspective of production numbers, Screaming Eagle is 48 acres (there is some Merlot etc but only small amounts) and they produce about 600 cases a year. Leflaive holdings at Pucelles is 7.5 acres.
I don’t know what the wine sells for under it’s original label, but I know the original label is definitely not Leflaive.
Saying this wine costs $750 is saying it’s the same wine. But the blurb still does not even say that. It just says generally wine from this cru sells for $750, which is already incorrect as generally wine from that cru does not cost $750.
After reading the last few posts/discussions (Grand Cru Burg for $300/btl??) I am beginning to wonder just how badly they’re (CourtneyB/team) going to f-k this whole approach up? First off, a Suckling 95 rating is about a 90-91 for everyone else…what idiot will pay >$3K/case for this? Not moi. Already prices have ballooned up to the $20-$30/btl range for deN semi-decent swill…perhaps they’ll ride this into the diminishing profit sunset and rake whichever suckers are left for the dregs of profit. OR maybe - just maybe - they’ll figure out that the deN crew/market is a marvelous method of selling premium bulk at a reasonable markup. The launch model works, Courtney - quit screwing it up.
There is a sh_tload of great juice out there, ready to bottle…and tons of great bottles that are already going to flash sites and discounters due to supply imbalances. deN needs to rejigger it’s pricing and approach, and fast, or I’m outta here (along with many of you other savvy sorts).
Perhaps Lot 507 is Lambert Bridge Bevill Vineyard? Southernost edge of Dry Creak Valley, $45 retail, allocation list only, etc. Seems to be a good fit.
Well, after googling, I think rather likely it’s Leflaive! Only thing that makes sense. Also Leflaive is readily available for MSRP price at many, many, online stores.
They didn’t bulk it out at $20 they prob got $150 for leftover juice. It’s not a shiner and it’s not the exact same wine they sell. But very likely it’s Leflaive.
I wouldn’t dismiss on alc % alone. There’s wiggle room on both sides. If the actual wine is 13.3%, but one winery wants to list at 12.5% and the other at 14.1%, they’re each within their 1% margin of error.
It’s not Leflaive.
If it’s wine pressed from fruit from Leflaive’s parcels in Pucelles, that does not make it Leflaive. It’s only Leflaive if it’s an actual shiner. If Leflaive decided to bulk out some juice, calling the concoction you make of it Leflaive is not accurate in the slightest. That’s the same as buying bulk wine from Beckstoffer (imagine if such thing exists), and then calling it Paul Hobbs and saying it’s $600/bottle.
That just did not happen.
And no, Leflaive is not available for MSRP at “many, many online stores”. The $750 you see is far from the release price, it’s cranked up by a lot because of its scarcity. Same thing if you go look for DRC, there’s a lot of availability at what you call “MSRP”, but the real ex-domaine price is a lot lower than what you see online. And that’s for the same reason, the production is so low compared to demand.
