Not a fan of the shape, looks like the original glasvin.
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How and where do you store hundreds of stems? My imagination of a Stem room off the cellar is running wild…
There’s over 100 in the cabinet in my picture above. Another 100 at least in boxes in the basement.
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Shelves and cabinets; we have a lot of space here.
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I’m not a moron so am obviously aware the risk of breakage is higher with handwashing (but is it, though, if I don’t have any gizmo to help them stay upright?). Two reasons: first, I am very sensitive to the smell of dishwasher detergent and can almost always smell it in wine stems. Secondly, I have kids in the house and the dishwasher is damn near always full of dirty dishes, and wine stems take up a lot of room. That’s why.
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You notice it with pods, or also powders/tablets? I have pretty sensitive sense of smell and notice nothing and have complete effervescence in sparkling wines.
I stopped using pods a long time ago because it was more prevalent. I now use powdered detergent and it’s better. It’s the same with Tupperware: I had wash much of it because I can taste that same “dishwasher” taste that has transferred to the food. I have a very good model and have shifted detergent types, and it’s more or less always there. I’ll probably revert to machine washing my 1855s, though. GGG and GG I can easily wash by hand.
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I know the risk is higher handwashing for a lot of people, but it isn’t for me. I’ve broken more stems putting them into and taking them out of the dishwasher, plus the few that have actually broken during the cycle (blame it on poor loading, if you like), than I ever have handwashing. I wash all the really good stems by hand.
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I usually run a dishwasher cycle just for wine glasses and haven’t had any issues. I keep them on the bottom rack and they come out perfectly fine.
If you do decide to hand wash, I’d strongly recommend never holding the glass by the stem or base. With Grassl and Zalto in particular, the stems are extremely thin and can’t handle much pressure at the weld point. I’ve had multiple Grassl glasses snap right at the stem connection while hand washing.
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+1 for handwashing. I hand wash all of my glasses. I have tried using the dishwasher, and for the reasons cited above (retained detergent smell, breakage in the washer, etc), I gave up on using the dishwasher a long time ago.
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Putting my pedantic hat on, those glasses don’t have a weld point, they should all be hand blown and the stem should be drawn from the bowl when the glass is hot.
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Regardless of pedantic hat, I’ve seen far more glasses snap exactly how J mentioned during hand washing/drying than I’ve seen them busted in dishwashers. And usually when they’re busted in dishwashers it’s either the wine glass is put on a rack with inadequate clearance and is broken when closing dishwasher tray or is clacked on a pot or pan when getting pulled out by someone being far more careless with the glass than they ever would be were they hand washing/drying and trying not to break the stem.
There is a process v. result issue. Most glassmakers recommend dishwashing, not handwashing and drying, because people are more likely to break hand washing and drying. It may work for the ultra-careful, but for most people, it’s a higher risk than just sticking them in the dishwasher with appropriate space.
Having managed a restaurant wine program for a few years and having worked at a wine bar (which used an industrial steamer/washer then hand drying all of the glasses), I’ve seen more glasses broken during the hand cleaning stage than the dishwasher or even use stage.
Detergent smell is a totally different issue. I either don’t have that issue or am blessed with an inferior sense of smell.
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I wonder if anyone who has chosen one method over the other, based on personal experience, has ever decided to switch just because a bunch of people had a different experience? 
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Yes that’s the weak point and that’s where they often snap, pedantic hat was for the manufacturing process, not the point of failure.
I used to hand wash until manufacturers convinced me to flip, and my failure rate has dropped drastically.
Well I think a lot of people hand wash because they don’t know any better.
Well, people quit smoking cigarettes after doing it for years knowing it’s not the ideal way to do things, so yeah, I’d say folks do that. Or like, go from getting vaccines and being healthy to deciding maybe they should be anti-vax because other people claim it causes autism.
But hey, to each their own!
I agree. You have to be ultra-careful, of which I am. It usually takes me 45 minutes to clean 6 glasses. Obviously I have deemed it worthwhile.
I hope it was clear that I wasn’t suggesting no one ever changes their mind about anything! I just find it amusing that both sids of this one, where both approachs are perfectly viable and people are perfectly happy with what they are doing, seem to want to talk the other side out of it!
ITS BECAUSE YOU’RE WRONG!! CONFORM TO MY IDEAL PRACTICES PLEASE!!!
Lol, and over an issue that literally has no affect on the other person. Loving paternalism! Sarah, just do it my way. It may not have been best for you before, but in the long run, it will be. three platonic and condescending head pats follow
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lol people with a ‘failure rate’ on washing glasses
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