When do you think the trend will flip back from Burg to Bordeaux again?

While I wouldn’t say I’ve flipped entirely I will say that my appreciation for Bordeaux has increased and deepened over the last decade or so.

They’re about neck and neck now. But I don’t buy GC Burgundy anymore.

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As soon as they stop pretending to be Amarone they can have another turn.

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Which wines in particular, Jason? I’ve perceived this on a bottle of Rhys, or two, but I actually like it.

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Hopefully never so I can continue to afford Bordeaux, my first and most durable love.

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And what color paints are on your palette.

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Yah that’s what i thought when i saw the title. I thought there are WAYYYY more bdx sold each year than burgundy…

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What about percentage of production sold? Average cost per bottle?

Distilling “trend” down to “volume” seems awfully over-simplified.

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True I guess the OP should clarify what Trend he was looking to discuss? vs putting 3 words into a post :wink:

No, it’s not, and don’t even talk about it!

I took it to mean whether the fashion among WBers and similar higher end wine collector types will swing from Burgundy to Bordeaux. Will Bordeaux become the in thing again the way Burgundy and Champagne are at the moment?

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I thought he was talking about bottle size.

that venn diagram is two circles that aren’t even in the same state.

Cursed with a love of Pinot noir, but feeling blessed price-wise that I prefer new world style, e.g. Twomey.

Having said that … I’ve got a case of 2019 1er Cru Les Vergelesses coming whenever it arrives this year, and I’m already kind of wishing we hadn’t bothered (tasty as it is). Prices have got to come down. Speaking of which, with China driving a lot of that these days - fascinating article here about Bordeaux vs Burgundy pricing driving those changes:
https://janeanson.com/market-analysis-bordeaux-in-china

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Next trend: The AFWE crowd discovers the glories of Caymus.

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‘09 Bordeaux EP pretty much killed the golden goose for Bordeaux…left such a bad taste in the mouth for most EP buyers, few will return in a big way again.

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Hey Brian, not a California. It was a couple Oregons and a Burgundy.

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Hi - I don’t know much about the futures market and what happened in 2009. Recall it was a great vintage — but could you help a newbie with what burned the EP buyers? Fraudulent trades?

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I don’t think the 2009 EP market had anything to do with it. Despite frequent claims by posters you will never see wine buyers “get mad and leave” an entire region en masse because of pricing decisions. Maybe individuals will stop being able to afford to buy old favorites but that’s different

The issue with Bordeaux is and always has been that there is enormous supply of the high end wines. That means that the market will always correct price overshooting, and there is way less FOMO and frantic chasing of rare bottles than you will see in Burgundy. Just a very different dynamic

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I think this is on the money. I’d suggest that you are going to see the $$$ go to pretty much anywhere else with small production. Especially if its split up in (small) vineyards.

The recent push on say Barolo pricing would be an example of this. :frowning:.

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Never. Scarcity sells.

Dan Kravitz

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