When do you think the trend will flip back from Burg to Bordeaux again?

Like title says?

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2097

Things tends to get weird at the turn of a century. Also, everyone here will be dead so no one can prove me wrong.

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All I know is I will be bankrupt either way.

Another way of asking the question is: will burg prices ever become sane again? Well, the 2022 releases will be interesting: good vintage, supposedly good supply. Of course, 2017 didn’t end the price run up…

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Already happened for me.

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Guess it depends on your budget and palette.

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That would require people to admit that they cannot distinguish between wine made from grapes on one side of a road from the other side.

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I can count the precise number of Mesozoic shells in every patch of Kimmeridgian soil, as well as the number of diabetic Roman centurions that made that road in the first place. Or so I say.

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I thought the Bordelais shot themselves in the foot with pricing for the 2009 vintage. That combined with continued style change was a turn off for me and some other board denizens. Burgundy seemed more reasonable and even more special by comparison.

The recent burgundy price increases, and climate-driven style changes in burgundy rhyme for me. I still love burgundy, but am buying very little. I’ve even begun dabbling in claret, very little mind you.

So for me, I guess the inflection point is now. But I would never claim to be be the average buyer, or a trend setter. Given its low comparative production, Burgundy pricing is more easily rationalized. And if it is indeed a luxury product (ack!), then maybe it will continue its dominance for the long term.

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me too.

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Never

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Me three

Well, since I’m not trendy, I actually never left! Y’all came back to me. :wink:

Sure there are major stylistic differences and palate preferences in play here, but hard to argue against the quality-price ratio to Bordeaux. Leaving aside the obvious First Growths and the other big dogs, like Montrose, Palmer, Lalande, VCC, et al, you can still buy super-high Bordeaux, even Classified Growths, for under $75 and some even under $50. The $50 price point casts a wide net to quality. And we’ve had some recently, excellent vintages in a strong run, think 2014, 16 and 19.

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Gee, why would I want these when I can buy a great burgundy producer’s village wine for $400, and a good producer’s village for around $100. :roll_eyes:

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If I am the trend (and hey, why not, I’m an Aries), it already happened. But that’s because COVID has rendered pinot problematic - about 75% of the bottles I open taste like burning automobile tires. (And no, before 2020, Burgundy didn’t taste like that for me.) I had some other tasting problems that have resolved but it’s been three years now, and I’m realizing that maybe that’s just not the grape for me. All Bordeaux and Rhone varietals still taste great, so back into those realms I plunge.

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what trend? way more people drink bordeaux than burgundy.

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And that approach definitely makes you hipper and less stodgy, but ultimately also poorer.

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Isnt Piedmont the new thing?

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Wholeheartedly agree. There are unbelievable world class wines <$100 and in many cases well <$100 in Bordeaux. I also really like your addition of 2014, an under appreciated vintage IMO

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2014 is classic

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Chateauneuf de Pape would like a turn at the trough of absurd demand.

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Fascinating that that happened with Pinot and not other wines. I’m hoping this is not what has happened to me… since December I’ve had a slew of aged Pinot where I perceived a tomato note. Across multiple producers and vintages. Provenance on most of the bottles was sound.

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