I’d follow Robert Parker over a cliff!
True. Been a bit.
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2008 Dom and Krug 164eme were two of the best young Champagnes that I ever experienced.
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I have, and it hasn’t improved. It doesn’t have much concentration, it’s never going to be a particularly good wine.
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Be careful. He’s only got one cliff left.
I like CdP but stopped drinking it around 2009 because it was too big and jammy for me. I wish I still drank it, but somewhere my palate just changed. Which is on me, not the CdP.
Had the Prevost Facimile about a month ago and down the drain it went.
Egly-Ouriet GC with the same folks a couple of weeks later and it was excellent, as always. But I agree that the pricing is making it harder to justify.
What are a few champagnes you do like? For context
Thanks for posting that Greg, it makes sense and I think that my different view is colored by who I met in wineshops.
In 1994 I moved back to Portland, having really begun exploring wine the year before, and went into a deli/wine shop that had an outspoken kid from Pittsburgh hired to take care of the wine side. He was, and still is, the most knowledgeable person that I know regarding wines. He left the deli/wine shop and started a small shop and online newsletter where he is a partner in the business (The Cellar Door in Portland).
While his wine knowledge runs world wide, he has always been an exceptionally knowledgeable Burg head and champagne supporter, and I have yet to meet anyone with his depth of knowledge about Burgundy (perhaps excepting Jasper Morris and Matt Kramer). As much as I respect Burgundy collectors and owe a good bit of my tasting experience to them, I’ve been introduced to more great wines, that I can afford, by my friend (after 30 years of buying wine and him seeing what I have been making, we genuinely are friends, but that’a as much to us both being wine nerds than anything else). And at this point I am 100% comfortable saying that he’s never tried to upsell me.
That probably proves you correct, more than me at least, because he’s close to one of a kind. But also in Portland, Eric Pottmeyer, owner of Sec wines, was a shop employee at Liner & Elsen when I started going in there.
I appreciate this back and forth as it’s really made me realize just how lucky I have been in who I stumbled into in a few wine shops when I was younger.
And the photo was just to illustrate the bias some collectors have. People put a ringer in a line up and it’s a surprise when a $100 Willamette Valley wine is the favorite. But I question whether that $100 bottle would be the favorite in a line up of well chosen Willamette Valley Chardonnays, though it is very good, so perhaps it might be. And I do think Ex-Novo is one of the best sites in the Valley for Chardonnay.
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Yes. AOC. Wonderful people who have put together the best wine retail program in the State of Texas. Great mix of known stuff and under-the-radar finds with a staff who works hard to build relationships with the clientele. A type of place that’s all too rare, especially in contrast to the big shops that dominate here (eg Total Wine).
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Calsac, courtin , vilmart, roederer, taittinger, bereche, Benoit- lahaye, drappier (Brut nature only), Agrapart, plus a whole bunch I can’t afford anymore like prevost, , selosse, etc.
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Remember when Prevost was inexpensive? Ah memories.
I do. But then I also remember buying selosse rose for $55 at the old Columbus circle wines. The substance was pretty pricey at 75…
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I have never seen Selosse at retail local to me. Ever.
Selosse is dead at retail, you say?
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Yep, definitely. Jason and the rest of the crew, too.
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It Selosse, to be sure.
Just had a 17 PR by bouchard that was completely in the slot. I know a lot of people have strong feelings about the pricing changes. I feel Bouchard is singular enough in style, the pricing is justified next to other champagnes.
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Max, I’ll vouch from the Champagne thread that aside from his preposterous comments re Krug and Egly Ouriet, Jay has fine tastes in champagne and seems to enjoy good wine across a multitude of styles. You can tell he’s no slouch because though he unreasonably dislikes Krug and EO, he clarified that he only likes a very specific Drappier so his reputation is not tainted by the largely trash offerings they produce outside their top end wine or two.
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A little more seriously back when we had a thread on Champagne styles almost all the highly regarded wines which I don’t like fell into the autolytic category
I still don’t really understand what that means 
but it seems a good predictor of what I dont like
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