Wow some really unpopular wine truths
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- Yes
- No
- Madeira who cares
- Sherry who cares
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I’ll take this opportunity to post a related sub truth
Chateauneuf made great wines up until 1994 when they went off the rails
Oh, and so long as I’m correcting peoples’ mistakes I’ll add that Krug, Egly Ouriet , and Ledru are all mediocre overrated champagnes
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If you’re talking AOC that place is absolutely phenomenal.
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lol yay, I’m going there on the 29th!
Obviously not who you’re responding to, but strong cosign. AOC is an amazing shop. I don’t store there but the retail operation, staff, and pretty much everything else are just absolutely top notch.
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I haven’t laughed so hard for a long time. Thanks for making my day brighter. 
Actually, in terms of your taste, 1998. I remember Jayson bringing a 1995 clos st. Vincent (way pre Cambie) that you quite liked to a dinner. And it’s hard to imagine that even you would have found the 96s or 97s overripe.
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I didn’t think I was going to need to die on the “Chateauneuf is good” hill, but here we are.
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Good thing there’s an actual hill there, one that dominates the surrounding terrain. Good spot to defend.
Seriously though — why trash CdP? Pegau? St Prefert? Clos des Papes? Giraud? Bonneau? Really?
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The thread title is the key. If you can accept popularity among WBers as conventional wisdom, then obviously any “truth” posted in this thread will either be off-topic or wrong (as viewed by conventional wisdom).
True to the WB idiom, there have been plenty of both.
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Please keep politics off the Wine Talk board.
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I am taking it one step further. Châteauneuf de Pape rouge and blanc are both good for you.
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My unpopular truth is that sometimes, when drinking wine blind, Termanthia is outstanding and 2007 Saxum James Berry has no flavor.
and, by the way, the 1959 CnDP that I got in 1969 for less that $3 was an excellent value.
I think Egly was once an excellent grower wine but has suffered terrible price inflation, and its vintage wines are perhaps not worth oh like $1300, but I do think that generally speaking EO is good and satisfying.
Krug is wonderful, though terribly expensive and prone to perplexing vintage wines in some years, though also can make tremendous wines in others (like 2002…oh mama). Ambo and Mesnil astoundingly expensive and probably not worth tariff, except maybe then like 08 Mesnil hits but 08 vintage is a big let down.
Ledru wines…I feel like these are $100 bottles of wine that became semi-Veblen goods among champagne geeks. Like we gotta pick a super secret superstar and them have a huge run on them and jack the prices way the hell up. And so now they’re like $400-500 a bottle but the quality hasn’t moved. But Ledru so cool.
Thoughts on Ulysse Collin? Cedric Bouchard? Emmanuel Brochet? Laval? Pevost?
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I buy a ton of Bouchard wines and they are consistently good, as are my Krug.
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Are you saying the 08 Mesnil is a big let down or the 2008 vintage in general?
I drink CdP, I live near CdP, CdP is a friend of mine. But I am not dying on a hill or anywhere else over differences of taste.
Love, love many but not all, haven’t had, love with age, love
But I’m priced out of almost all of those these days
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Methinks you haven’t had the 08 Vintage recently. It’s absolutely smoking these days. Just needed a few years.
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