Especially if the wine(s) can be purchased for less in the secondary market.
One of the attractions of buying the original ‘cult’ wines was the ability to sell them for a profit, regardless of the DTC cost.
You forgot 3 day wine reviews!
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Cool. First discussion I’ve ever won on the internet.
We both agree that the ideal tasting note is one that is based on an objective reading of what is in the glass. Where we differ is in you believing that people can analyze wine objectively, apart from whatever else they’ve eaten, drunk, etc. I’m skeptical that is completely possible, based on my own experiences over the past 30 years.
Time to move on.
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No great wines, only great bottles? Not that the “best” wines don’t deliver more often.
I doubt Tyler_F is Kelce.
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I’m definitely not, and only wanted to make sure we covered all the off-topic bases. Carry on!
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I think for typical tasting notes context matters a lot and can be useful when part of the note. If I am writing a note on a couple of bottles with dinner there is just to much bias - if you can reveal that in the note I think it matters. A controlled blind tasting doesn’t really have context other than were the wines decanted or how long were they open or temperature. It’s a different animal.
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The universe is expanding at an infinite rate, no?
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Not in my experience.
There are no winners or losers as we all learn something in these discussions regardless of how many turns they take.
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This was largely what I was getting at. People are paying less for the very very top wines (albeit still above release), and less than release for many other wines. I interpret this as decreased demand for “ultra premium luxury” wines.
Maybe I need to go outside and touch some grass, but is there a point where fruit doesn’t get picked because wine isn’t selling? Obviously that’s a disaster scenario, but at the very least, I’m mildly concerned that people will lose jobs if things keep going this way.
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“the secret to great wine is who you share it with” Wonka 2023
Napa is over priced for sure
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You just dunked on yourself trying to celebrate.
People in the business know their limits, and the really good ones know what not to eat, and when to not make a note if they have had something that limits them. I’d like to say it’s not that hard, but it’s a choice. Martin chose to negatively comment on a wine that he was never going to like. That’s a line that I would never cross.
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Not interested in a Grüner Veltliner dinner?
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The market writ large is down, including the coveted DRC. Analyzing a down market is really hard. What comes up? What doesn’t? How much does it come back?
There is a unique situation at play with California, and that is a number of people that are betting on California wine overseas. This is brand new. There is also end user interest in California wines (small pockets, but it’s real) overseas, and so there is a real chance for wineries to break out into those markets. It’s what caused the “Red Obsession” (see the movie, totally worth it) over a decade ago, and what has help keep prices high for a prolonged period of time in the last 3 years. How it plays out is a whole other guess. It took Bordeaux 10+ years to really crack the Asian market. How long does it take to crack that plus Europe, both of which have too many choices of where to spend already?
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And white Rioja! Count me in.
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Not trying to celebrate. The first line was meant to be sarcastic. This is no winning discussions on the internet.
I’m sure that critics (and other folks ITB) are much more careful about the tasting than I ever want to be, and their customers surely benefit from that attention to detail, but no one has the day-to-day precision of lab equipment, which is how Jeff’s comments came across to me.
Was I tilting at windmills of my own making? Almost certainly.
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[quote=“Ian_Dorin, post:354, topic:308544, full:true”] Martin chose to negatively comment on a wine that he was never going to like. That’s a line that I would never cross.
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Oh, now holier than thou. Give it rest. The state of Napa Cabs is so grotesque that it merits calling out and neither I nor anyone else needs to apologize for doing so. I will now exit and let you continue with the parade.
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For real?
You hijacked an entire thread about California wines to talk about anything but.
And you just insulted a whole slew of people that love California wine on this thread.
Dude, be aware. If you want a crusade about the state of California wine, you’ve ventured into the wrong place.
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Can you elaborate on this?