TN: Burgundies, again

[LasseK]

I also only had good experiences with Naudin. But never had a 2018… so…

[LasseK]

I do own a bottle and have an upcoming Jura tasting

[MadsW]

Save it for a négoce night

[NathanH]

I have a few of her CDN-Villages 2020, but haven’t tried them yet.

[Yule_Kim]

@LasseK

I do own a bottle and have an upcoming Jura tasting

My tasting group had a '21 Theo Dancer Savagnin last month. Well-made wine, but I think most of us thought it tasted more like a nice white Burg rather than a Jura Savagnin. Made me wonder how often terroir is really just winemaking (putting aside arguments that traditional winemaking techniques are a part of terroir).

Worth drinking, but outclassed by the Bienaime and the Maison Maenad in the same flight. Andy and Vince both have good notes about the Dancer in the thread.

TNs: Jura Tasting at Won Kok (San Francisco) - Ganevat, Bruyere-Houillon, Puffeney, Macle, Maenad, Bienaime, Cavarodes, Dancer

Here are some notes from tonight’s Jura themed dinner at a local Chinese restaurant in SF. All the wines showed quite well and the food was a good match. Some interesting takeaways are a confirmation that I prefer Puffeney’s whites of the reds and Ganevat’s whites can be as good as white wine gets. I was also surprised how different the Vin Jaunes showed. One super elegant and subtle with little oxidative notes, the other super intense and forward with lots of oxidation. I loved both. And I hav…

[MadsW]

I think Lasse has some Bienaime planned for our April tasting. I never had his wines TBH. I found his prices, what should I say, cocky when I could get Labet for less — but those days are gone as of this year…

I’m excited to try! And sorry for thread drift Otto!

[LasseK]

Uh not sure I dare to go into the winemaking vs terrior discussion

I like Bienaimé! I have a good amount of both the Savagnin and Chardonnay’s.
I also own a bottle of Maenad’s Chardonnay, but that one is going to sleep for a while (sorry @MadsW )

[Otto_Forsberg]

@Russell_Faulkner

Well if you prefer Savagnin that tastes like Burgundy this is perhaps the only version for you!

Or Pelican or Rijckaert!

@MChang

I like everything to taste like burgundy.

And then there are people who like everything to taste like Napa Cab.

It’s nice to know what one likes, but IMO it sort of defeats its purpose when wines don’t really taste of their place or what variety they are made from, but instead become sort of caricatures of other famous regions or styles.

And this is from a person who likes Cedric Bouchard, Dancer, Pelican and Rijckaert wines.

@Yule_Kim

Made me wonder how often terroir is really just winemaking (putting aside arguments that traditional winemaking techniques are a part of terroir).

Many people often mistake winemaking choices and other elements (even things like brett) for terroir. However, terroir and winemaking are (quite obviously, duh) not mutually exclusive. For example, you could get noticeable differences from the terroir if you make wines from different sites in the same style, no matter if the wines are made in a traditional Jura style, a modern Jura style or an overtly Burgundian style. The end results are just going to express differently. But if you’ve tasted enough Jura wines, you’ll notice that there is no overarching Jura “terroir” - just the aesthetic choices that explain why so many (but not all) Jura wines taste like Jura.

[Otto_Forsberg]

@MadsW

And sorry for thread drift Otto!

Lol no prob I just offer topics where people can discuss, argue and quarrel with me and each other!

[Phil_T_r_o_t_t_e_r]

Great TNs Otto, thanks.

@Otto_Forsberg

2014 Gabin et Felix Richoux Irancy - France

@Peter_Chiu pour me on to these wines. The 2018 was a little ripe and hot but that’s somewhat expected and indicative of the vintage. I’ve got a 2017 Lea Cailles ready to go soon. Looking forward to trying a cooler vintage.