TN: 2023 Julian Haart „J. J.“ Riesling Kabinett - more clues about 2023

I will be visiting winemakers :wink:

Ull Stein has been my favorite 2022 so far.

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Yes I was replying to Brian. Maybe hit the wrong button.

22 is a hugely overlooked vintage IMO. Works for me.

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The 2022 Ludes are fantastic! Maybe not as much acid as '21, but that’s what makes them so perfect to drink now. The '22 Terrassen is my absolute favorite. :heart_on_fire::clinking_glasses:

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Erich and Johannes Weber of Hofgut Falkenstein have already delivered most merchants in Germany the 2023s. The pickups for the US and 30 or so other countries either have taken place or are under way. Farm Wine Imports has already picked up their order. Ideal Wine and Piedmont Wine Imports are soon to follow.

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@Lars_Carlberg

Good Morning Lars,

maybe I overlooked it, but how would you characterize the vintage 2023?!

Take care,
Martin

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Good morning, Martin! See link. Johannes and I feel that the 2023 vintage at Hofgut Falkenstein is closer to 2021 than 2022, and our 2022s were pretty racy for the vintage. I haven’t tasted 2023s from other producers yet.

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I’m completely opposite then. I really like 2022 wines from Mosel. I have drank 2021s & 2022s side by side lately and I prefer '22s when they are made right. Somehow wines are more fun to drink from estate level to top than über acidic & somewhat even too puristic '21s. Don’t get me wrong I liked & like the vintage but in the end I’m sort of glad that I did not buy too much to cellar. 2022 has a tad more of body & fruit than 2021 which makes me believe they will also age way better. Then again I prefer also 2019 & 2020 over 2021. I’ll be in Mosel again during the Mythos Mosel in a couple of weeks so let’s see how 2023s taste.

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:100: agree.

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I am very encouraged that others like 2022. I will keep trying. Maybe the ones in the U.S. just need to settle down.

I am also not a big fan of 2022. I miss acidity aka freshness.

I don’t really like any vintage generalisations - but 22 was pretty close to 19 acidwise IIRC from the data across the whole region.

But the better winemakers, or at least those of a certain style, made lighter, fresher wines in 22 than others did in 21!

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Any particular favorites in 2022?

Same as always! :smiley:

I bought fewer 22s than recent vintages but the same will be true for 23, as the tap has to be turned off significantly to prevent drowning.

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2022 is easily the best vintage from Carl Loewen I have tasted.

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Thank you @JohanS that is helpful since I only buy the 1896 bottling and though I like their wines they are not in my regular rotation. I will seek some out.

If I had to choose one single wine from 2022 vintage (an not only from Mosel) it would be Laurentiuslay alte reben trocken. I strongly recommend to buy that if it’s still available.

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Looks like there is more 2021 available in the U.S. most likely because the importer is behind. I did just order some 2022.

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I’ve tried the Julian Haart Goldtröpfchen Kabinett 2023 half a dozen times now and it’s a really good wine. Juicy, long, and balanced. Less acidity than in 2022 (8.7 g/l as opposed to 10 g/l in 2022) but it doesn’t seem like a problem. Everything is well proportioned. While I think a lot of well produced 22s are more long-haul wines (many are in the process of or have already closed down) my admittedly limited experience with the 2023s (the Haart and about a dozen other wines) leads me to think that they will will be great for short-mid term drinking. That said, I like many 2022s a lot as well, though I imagine I’ll be keeping most of my cases closed for the best part of a decade.

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Robert, are you not a fan of the '22 Ludes?

I think even the basic “Mosel” bottling is fantastic, and for around $20 a bottle it is very affordable as well.