2014 has been regarded as one of the top vintages of the decade for whites, yet I still have not drunk an impressive 2014, and I’ve had premoxed bottles from top producers and plots - never a Grand Cru, though. As for Aligoté, the Domaine Leroy bottling did not impressed either.
What are your thoughts on this? I definitely think 2022 and, specially, 2020 are superior, and I prefer 2017 and even 2015.
Hear hear. 2014 whites have been consistently amazing and can’t remember having a single dud.
2017 has also been great, IMO better than 2020 and much better than 2015. Have had very little 2022 and what I’ve had, have been inconsistent. Some great, some rather uninspiring.
2014 is a vintage in white with quite high and noticible acidity - so who loves high sharp acidity also loves 2014.
At the moment I prefer 2017 and also 2012 which are more balanced imo, but 2014 may be superior in the long run (if not premoxed)
Love 2024 white Burgundies. Have had a lot of fabulous ones including Ramonet and Bernard Moreau CM Morgeot and Bouchard Chevalier Montrachet and Meursault Perrieres. Just a great vintage IMHO.
Wow! Sorry to hear about your bad luck! We’ve done several vintage verticals and the 14 nearly universally beats the pants off any other vintage at the table. 17 is coming along nicely and has been inching closer in the past year or so, but still nothing can match the 14 outside of the 08/10 if a pristine bottle happens to be at the table.
This has held true with Lafon Monty, Lafon MP, Dancer MP, PYCM CC, Bouchard Monty/Chevy, BdM CC, Coche Meursault, etc.
2014 is spectacular for Chablis, but its not been developing as well as I’d have liked in the Cote de Beaune. I think it towers over the surrounding vintages (too warm 2012 and 2013, very variable 2011, charming but younger drinking 2015 and the awful 2016), but for me 2020 is comfortably better and I’d probably prefer 2017.
It is also, of course, somewhat dependent on the relevant producers. If I were only drinking Ramonet, 2014 would be terrible, so YMVM.
I’m just surprised to see everyone’s comments cause I have had really so so experiences with this vintage. Just gonna give a few data points:
Michel Niellon - Chassagne-Montrachet 1er Cru Les Champ Gains. First bottle (at a restaurant) was completely premoxed, second one was good, no spectacular.
Guffens - Mâcon-Pierreclos Tribde Chavigne. Good bottle, not incredible and far inferior to other bottles from 2015, 2017 and 2019 of the same cuvee.
Michel Bouzereau - Meursault-Perrieres. Premoxed bottle.
Domaine Leroy - Aligoté. Good bottle, obviously it is Leroy, but nothing spectacular. Kelley’s 21 Aligoté is just on another planet compared to this.
Henri Germain - Meursaul-Charmes. Again, good bottle, but inferior to his 2020 bottling.
Bernard-Bonin - Bourgogne. Premoxed.
Henri Germain - -Montrachet 1er Cru Morgeot Les Fairendes. Good, but drink up.
Premox is a producer thing and doesn’t really have anything to do with vintage. Some of the other producers you name have been making improvements lately in their farming and/or winemaking so their more recent vintages are indeed much better than 10 years ago. You’ll want to try producers that were making great wine in 2014 to get a representative experience.
Aligoté is best when very young. I had a 17 Leroy Aligoté last year that was so so and a 20 or 21 would have been better just for that reason.
@ifernandezsa I would concur with Andrew. Premox doesn’t say much about the vintage… I’ll add a few more data points with some incredible 2014s that I’v had in the last year:
Lafon Perrieres
Lafon Charmes (Showed even better than Perrieres - absolute knockout)
Dauvissat Forest
Jean Noel Gagnard Chassagne Les Caillerets
The only thing I can really knock the vintage for is how young the wines are still showing. 17 was already showing well at 5 years old, I think 14 is just now starting to unfold, and many of these wines will continue to improve for another decade at a minimum.
The thing that makes 2020 so interesting to me is the fact that white wine making / the use of DIAM has improved / increased substantially at many estates across Burgundy since 2014. That said, objectively I would still give 14 the edge from a vintage perspective, even if there are more wines that you feel good about cellaring from a premox perspective in 2020. I hope I’m wrong though because I have a ton of 2020 in the cellar!