Wow, nice. I’ve never had one that old!
I own a magnum of 2000 Ramonet Clos de la Boudriotte, maybe I’ll do an event and open it on the right occasion. Don’t see any 2000 available anywhere in the world, much less in mag.
Whenever you do, let me know! 
I think we have very different tastes. Old VCC has never resembled Burgundy, and it’s hard to put them in the same sentence as having anything in common apart from the fact they are both French and red.
I will give you Lafarge, but have been disappointed by recent vintages of D’Angerville, and the few Rossignol I have tasted have not been exciting. I have had one bottle of Heitz, overly ripe and imprecise and not had Bouley recently.
I don’t mean because old VCC is Burgundian, I mean because isn’t overripe like newer vintages of VCC.
What vintages of heitz did you have, and which wine? Poutures is their monopole and the 16 and 17 are both superb. I have a bunch of the 19-21 but opened any yet.
Rossignol wines seem to need a lot of time to be ready. Nico opened some 05s from mag at paulee that were crazy good last year in LA.
Try Ramonet. They make the best red CM I have had, although I also like the ones from Bernard Moreau (which taste very different). Of course the ones I bought were less than $100.
If anyone wants to know where to get some Ramonet cdlb or clos st Jean (20 and 21) and other cdb reds as well as some other chassagne reds for lower than wsp pricing pm me.
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I tried a 2020 Pommard 1er last year that was also a game changer for me. Little producer - Voarick - that I stumbled upon during a tasting trip in Aloxe-Corton. I loved it so much I tried to call up for a case but they were sold out 
. What’s your take on Pommard reds?
Just had this in a restaurant a few weeks ago. While very young and from a light vintage it was a heavenly match for the wild deer main course. Otherwise haven’t been drinking too much Chassagne Rouge, however Bernard Moreau and Henri Germain have left a good impression. Looking forward to trying Moreau’s 2014 Cardeuse sometime soon.
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Great post. I don’t typically think of Ramonet for Red which is partly your point. I will seek some out. Guessing you or someone got some at K&L 
It shows up on wine-searcher but not on their website.
I am interested - have loved Ramonet CdlB I’ve had, but for some reason have not bought much for the cellar.
TIA,
Sarah
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I think pommard is one of the most exciting regions in burgundy right now; it had previously been known for more structured wines that took a long time to drink, however several producers are making superb wines there now including Armand heitz (poutures), Thomas Bouley (fremieres), and Louis Biliard (fremieres, others)
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I’m a big fan of the Ramonet reds as well. For those looking for a nice entry point wine for CM rouge I’d recommend the Moreau (Alex now?) Chassagne Rouge VV. Usually about $55-60 and a really nice red fruited burg at that price.
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I’m recalling a recently posted adage along the lines of “you should buy red wines made my white wine makers, but not always white wines made by red wine makers.”
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I love red Chassagne, have not had many Ramonets but agree that they are probably the best of red Chassagnes.
However for me, Savigny still offers slightly better value overall. My third value village would be a tie between Santenay and Monthelie, depending on style preference. And Beaune at not much higher an average price point could be a value candidate. Pernand should be coming up on the outside.
Drouhin Clos des Mouches got a special mention, but to me Jadot’s Ursules is great wine.
Also, extremely old-school, Courcel is for me at the very top of the Cote de Beaune south of Aloxe.
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Savigny has some good wines that can offer good value but have nowhere near the potential of red chassagne or even pommard imo. The best savigny is still relatively rustic to me, without the top end potential of good cdn 1er much less grand crus.
I think you may have me confused with John Gilman. (Hint I am prettier). At the VCC tasting, I rather liked 2019 and 2016, although rising alcohol levels concern me, and I may not buy automatically the way I used to.
The Heitz was I think, a Taillepieds 2019 which somebody brought to a lunch.
Returning to your original post, I have got the “Burgundy experience “ from many less expensive wines, and I find a lot of value. Glantenay is a great example, but there are plenty of others. Yesterday I tasted through the Jouan 2022 range. The Clos Saint Denis was superb, but the value here is Morey Saint Denis. A perfect example why it is hard to generalize about Burgundy.
I agree with everything on your list except that I am not sure Jadot’s wines are as good post Jacques Lardiere. And, the wines you mention from Drouhin and Jadot have really gone up in price over the last several years.
With respect to Savigny and Pernand, my favorite producer is Chandon de Briailles. And, for me, their Ille des Vergelesses is not just coming up on the outside but has passed most if not all the wines from Savigny and Pernand.
I esp. agree about wines from Beaune. They are too often ignored. Not considered a top village like say Chambolle and Vosne nor a value village like the ones you mention. But, I think some Beaune wines can be better than any of the other value villages. I just had a 2005 Bouchard Beaune Teurons that is fabulous. I think I paid around $40 or so for this, but that was when the wine was very young.
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Unclear why the village aggregation needs to be the level of analysis for best value.
So much of that is going to depend on specific tastes for specific producers/vineyards/wines.
But this has inspired me to revisit Chassagne rouge. It’s been a while and I’m sure the warming trend has been kind to them.
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For Glantenay you guys are talking about Domaine (Georges) and not Bernard & Thierry? I still have a mixed case of various Bernard & Thierry 1er cru Volnay 2008-2010, was buying various other Weygandt burgs then, and man are those old-school, to be left alone 20-25 years.