RUDY KURNIAWAN & GLOBAL WINE AUCTION FRAUD THREAD (MERGED)

Ok folks, seems tough to get special screenings, as there are already some in NYC prior to the Netflix release, and they are working on the LA one (I’ll be told what it is once it’s planned) but here’s what I received:

So the New York City Premiere will take place sometime in between 14 - 16th November so the only day to screen in NYC before the Netflix release is the 17th, can this be done on your side?

As for an LA screening, I will have confirmation this week if it will premiere in LA, will get dates then as well.

As for Chicago I believe you could continue, as for Venue, that would be up to your side depending on what kind of event you are planning, could be a cinema or other venue.

They are not allowed to show it prior to the NYC premiere, in NYC anyway, and it appears to need a cinema screen, so that might require a rental of significant financial requirement.

Anybody have ideas and/or facilities they can suggest?

Do any Chicago folks have contacts at the Siskel Center? They specialize in films like this and might be interested. (I’m out of town the 14th on so would likely miss this wonderful event unless it was a different date)

Edited to add - or does anyone have a contact at UofC Doc Films?

Reaching out to one of my contacts that has done some screenings in NYC. This would need to be a BYO friendly location hopefully.

Nice to watch to say the least and there is a nice twist I had not read or heard about before. (got to see the french version)

I may have missed this, but when is the release in Netflix?

See thread in Offline Planner about potential NY screening prior to Netflix release…

Siskel is pretty expensive to rent. I was thinking the small theater at the Music Box or one of the theaters at the Landmark on Clark might be more reasonable. Also, I was wondering whether the Harold Ramis Film School at Second City might have a screening room they would rent out. Sadly, I don’t have any connections at these theaters

I’ll check with a friend who might know of an option … news if I get some.

TWO PEOPLE SELLING COUNTERFEIT BURGUNDY GRAND CRUS IN FRANCE CONVICTED AND SENTENCED

On Monday, October 10, 2016, two individuals were convicted in Marseilles for attempting to sell 36 bottles of counterfeit grand cru burgundies to a wine retailer located in Marseilles. They were caught with the 36 bottles of fake grand crus in their possession. The article states that the bottles had a retail value (if legitimate) of 20,000 Euros (though there is also a confusing reference to the damages caused being 120,000 Euros.) Each of the perpetrators had a fake ID. In an article published in the Burgundy newspaper La Bien Public, France - Justice . Ils tentaient d’écouler de faux grands crus de Bourgogne à Marseille, one of the individuals was identified as being from Burgundy, and the other individual as a Frenchman from Comoro Island (which is in the Indian Ocean above Madagascar) who had a fake Belgian ID in his possession.

Since the two individuals were caught red-handed with the counterfeit bottles, they were very quickly tried under a French procedure known as “comparution immediate,” (or immediate trial.) Based on what I have read, it appears that when this procedure is used the individual is tried within one to three days after being arrested. On Monday both individuals were convicted and sentenced to 18 months in prison.

Since the individuals apparently weren’t talking, the investigation is apparently continuing. The names and aliases of the two individuals who were convicted were not revealed in the article. I strongly suspect that this conviction has a connection with some counterfeit Dugat-Py, Roumier and Rouget wines that have been offered and sold out of Belgium that I’ve been looking into for the past two months. I’m trying to learn more, including the names and aliases of the persons convicted, and will add more when and if I know for sure.

To the best of my knowledge this is the first conviction for selling counterfeit wine in France since the arrest of Rudy Kurniawan in March of 2012. It’s a welcome development.

My crim law professor said that the usual defense in such cases, “A guy named Vinnie asked me to keep it.” It sounds like these guys didn’t even have a chance to raise that defense. Sheesh!

Thanks for the report, Don.

Very nice piece in The New Yorker:

Of course, not a lot of news for people who have been following this thread.

MORE INFO ON THE COUNTERFEITERS CONVICTED IN FRANCE

Here is some information that you won’t find in the newspaper article.

One of the two individuals convicted had a fake Belgian driver’s license identifying him as Kevin Van Holsbeek. (Bear in mind this name is an alias.) Mr. Van Holsbeek first came to my attention in early September when a good friend who is a French wine merchant forwarded me copies of photos of 2010 Dugat-Py Chambertin and Mazis Chambertin suspected to be counterfeit. The wines were being offered by a Belgian source and they were indeed counterfeit. While the labels were quite well done, both bottles had plain white capsules (which looked somewhat sloppily applied.). However, some years ago the Domaine began using branded capsules, and both Chambertin and Mazis in the 2010 vintage should have had the branded capsules. The 2010 Mazis also had hand cut and highly irregular neck labels.

Counterfeit 2010 Chambertin offered in Belgium_______________2012 Chambertin from the Domaine in its OWC

A range of 2010 to 2012 Dugat-Py Wines from the Domaine, with their branded capsules

Three bottles of Counterfeit 2010 Dugat-Py Mazis Chambertin offered in Belgium_________________Authentic 2010 Dugat-Py Mazis Chambertin

I made inquiries to my friend Joris Scott, who runs Sylvie’s Wine Auctions in Belgium. Joris frequently provides assistance in dealing with counterfeit wine in Europe and independently investigates wine counterfeiting there. He immediately referred me to two well known Belgian wine merchants who had purchased counterfeit Dugat-Py Chambertin from Mr. Van Holsbeek. Van Holsbeek had claimed that the wines had been purchased by his father along with other high end burgundies from a wine merchant located in Southern France. He produced an invoice from a wine merchant in Southern France, showing that Thierry Van Holsbeek of Bruxelles [Brussels] had purchased, among other wines, 24 bottles of 2005 Dugat-Py Mazis Chambertin and 3 or 4 bottles each of 2004, 2005 and 2006 Dugat-Py Chambertin. Van Holsbeek also offered a copy of his (fake) Belgian drivers license to confirm that he lived at the address indicated on the drivers license.

Shortly after completing the initial purchase transaction, Van Holsbeek offered to supply more bottles of Dugat-Py Chambertin. To put things in perspective, Dugat-Py produces from a half barrel (12 cases) to one barrel (24 cases) of Chambertin per year. For anyone to be able to buy three or four bottles of three different vintages of Dugat-Py Chambertin from a single retail source was already stretching credibility (too far in my judgment), but when Van Holsbeek claimed to have more bottles available, the alarm bells started ringing.

The merchant then began a careful side-by-side examination of the bottles they had purchased and noticed that the bottle codes on the 2005 Chambertin did not match and that there seemed to be subtle differences in the labels. They soon realized that the wines were counterfeit.

Over the last few months additional counterfeits which are believed to originate from the same source have been offered (and in some cases sold) to other merchants and brokers in Belgium and the Netherlands. These bottles have included, for example, 2013 Roumier Chambolle Musigny Les Amoureuses and 2012 Rouget Cros Parantoux. Unless you have an original bottle to compare with the fakes side by side, it would be exceptionally easy for even a well-trained wine professional to be deceived. (However, I will say that the most notable tell on the Roumier Amoureuses was the absence of the prooftag on the neck of the fake Amoureuses, while the real bottle has one.) The person offering these wines (who was not one of the individuals arrested) has used several different names and has frequent changes of email address.

Counterfeit 2013 Roumier Amoureuses on the Left; Authentic 2013 Roumier Amoureuses on the right

Counterfeit 2013 Roumier Amoureuses on the left [Note: the branded capsule]; Authentic 2013 Roumier Amoureuses with ProofTag on the Right

Counterfeit 2012 Rouget Cros Parantoux on the left; Authentic 2012 Rouget Cros Parantoux on the right

As I have said here before, the volume of counterfeit bottles in Europe is now overwhelming – exceeding the volume that were in circulation in Europe at the time that Rudy Kurniawan was arrested (in March of 2012) by many multiples. The number of wine merchants and wine brokers has grown exponentially since 1995 along with the growth of the internet. Many of these merchants and brokers are eager to purchase highly collectible bottles, particularly of burgundy. This provides almost endless opportunities for purported collectors to inject counterfeit wines into the trade. Up to now, outside of Italy, Europe has shown little interest in prosecuting people for selling counterfeit wines.

These two arrests and convictions took place because some Belgian merchants who were defrauded by very plausible counterfeits got angry enough to do something about it and went to the Domaine about it. Let’s hope this is the start of something positive in France.

WARNING! Baghera is selling counterfeits at auction again!

Berserker Alain Boquet warned me this morning that Baghera Wine Auctions based in Geneva is once again selling obvious counterfeits in its upcoming November 8 online wine auction. This time the culprit is a vertical of Chateau Mouton Rothschild beginning with 1945 (Lot 37). http://www.bagherawines.auction/en/lot/voir/7545 You can click on the photos to obtain larger images and there is a complete set of photos of each bottle in the vertical.

You can also download the PDF of the entire catalog here: http://www.bagherawines.auction/assets/uploads/catalog/pdf/Catalogue-WOC-6-WineWhatElse-Baghera-web.pdf

Take a look at the separate thread warning about counterfeits in the Baghera auctions, starting at Post No. 81. http://www.wineberserkers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2136689#p2136689

THE LOWDOWN ON WINES OFFICIALLY SOLD BY FREDERIC MUGNIER

I visited Frédéric Mugnier on Tuesday to taste his 2015’s from cask (delicious!) and to show him my book on Burgundy (he’s one of the 16 winegrowers featured in it).

So I popped the question. Here’s his word on official and fake Mugnier wines:

  1. From 1951 to 1977:

The vines were rented out to Faiveley.
There were ABSOLUTELY NO BOTTLES produced Under the Mugnier label.

  1. From 1978 to 1983:

The wines were taken back by Jacques, Frédéric’s father, in 1978.
The estate was run by Bernard Clair, Bruno’s father, who made the wines from 1978 to 1985.
Frédéric SOLD A FEW HUNDRED BOTTLES, each year, from 1978 to 1983, under the Mugnier label.
Most of the wine was sold to the négoce in cask.

  1. Since 1984:

ALL WINES have been bottled at the Domaine sold under the Mugnier label.
Please note that Frédéric only came back for the 1985 harvest (his first vinification). He did not vinify the 1984’s; he only finished their élevage.

  1. Wines sold by négociants / cavistes / and restaurants:

ANYTHING BEFORE 1951 and ANYTHING BETWEEN 1978-1983 COULD BE genuine.
Frédéric says the Maxim’s wines could be authentic. But he has no idea whether they are.

  1. Clos de Vougeot

Clos de Vougeot was rented to Faiveley in 1951 and definitely acquired by Faiveley thereafter.
So THERE CANNOT BE a mise de négociant for Clos de Vougeot after 1950.

Now you know everything.

Khiem
DSC03649 Frédéric Mugnier letting us taste his 2015's.JPG

For those who might not have seen my separate thread on this subject, on Wednesday November 9, Marc Lazar of Cellar Advisors and Domaine Wine Storage was arrested in St. Louis and charged with two felony counts of sale of wine without a license. Mr. Lazar was released from jail yesterday afternoon. You will find the thread here. http://www.wineberserkers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2141484#p2141484

Two days ago I attended a NYC preview of “Sour Grapes,” the new wine documentary about Rudy. Here’s the Q&A with the film’s makers and stars (including Bill Koch) that happened afterwards:

Best,
Mark

Thanks. At the very end, the last minute or so, who is Bill K. referring to?

Danny Oliveros from Royal Wine Merchants.

Andy:

Bill is referring to Royal Wine Merchants in New York, who were infamous for selling/distributing Hardy Rodenstock fakes. They also offered some Rudy Kurniawan counterfeits that I know of, although one case of fake Rudy K Romanee Conti that they had didn’t sell for many years.

Daniel Oliveros married Savanna Samson (her stage name), one of the better looking porn stars at the time. A few years ago Natalie Oliveros a/k/a Savanna Samson, started her own winery in Italy and it is, not surprisingly, labeled Savanna. Many of the labels contained illustrations with her in various states of undress. Here’s a link to an NBC story which contains a photo of her posing with one of her new wines in New York at the time it was released. Porn star's wine passion gets plaudits

Great info Don. What I like about the Roumier photos is it appears the fake bottle with the branded capsule has an authentic capsule from which the prooftag was removed - you can see the glue from where the prooftag - presumably from a lesser bottle - was removed.

If that is the case, how does one do that? Break the bottle? Let me be clear I do not advocate or do that, just curious.

Over the last few months additional counterfeits which are believed to originate from the same source have been offered (and in some cases sold) to other merchants and brokers in Belgium and the Netherlands. These bottles have included, for example, 2013 Roumier Chambolle Musigny Les Amoureuses and 2012 Rouget Cros Parantoux. Unless you have an original bottle to compare with the fakes side by side, it would be exceptionally easy for even a well-trained wine professional to be deceived. (However, I will say that the most notable tell on the Roumier Amoureuses was the absence of the prooftag on the neck of the fake Amoureuses, while the real bottle has one.) The person offering these wines (who was not one of the individuals arrested) has used several different names and has frequent changes of email address.

Counterfeit 2013 Roumier Amoureuses on the Left; Authentic 2013 Roumier Amoureuses on the right

Counterfeit 2013 Roumier Amoureuses on the left [Note: the branded capsule]; Authentic 2013 Roumier Amoureuses with ProofTag on the Right