Red Burgundy sleepers

Blain-Gagnard continues to be my perennial favorite here.

Ok, understood all. I’ll try throwing in my two cents on the actual topic.

It’s interesting to think through what counts as a sleeper. From looking through the posts, there are a few categories that jump out to me:

Category 1: Wines from star/ well known producers that come from less hotly pursued villages than their main wines that are often as good or better than their most expensive premier crus, great white wine producers that happen to make a great red or two or great village/ regional wines from famous producers who outperform the lofty expectations that their village wines already have. For the first camp, many of the great Vosne Romanee producers produce NSG premier crus that often beat their mid level Vosne premier crus - Maureen had some great suggestions, I’d add Cathiard NSG Murgers (I think it’s generally better and cheaper than his lower level vosne 1ers) and Camuzet NSG Aux Boudots. Boudots in general is such a good 1er. Ente’s Volnay 1er SdM is a very elegant volnay and a good example of the second category. There are too many good village wines to mention for the third category - I like Martin’s suggestion of Barthod BR and would add I think the village Chambolle hits even greater heights than one would expect. Her 2014 was just fantastic en primeur - the red fruit is great. Hudelot Noellat chambolle is also great as has already been mentioned. Of course, it feels kind of silly to mention any of the wines of the producers just mentioned as real sleepers.

Category 2: wines from the stables of negociants or large producers that are often overlooked because they have such large stables or a few wines that attract all of the attention. I like de Montille’s volnays (particularly the Tallepieds) and the Beaune Greves. I think the style of wine is very good in blockbuster vintages and aged examples are great and relatively cheap. I also have enjoyed Drouhins Chambolle 1er Baudes when it’s a vintage where it isn’t included in the Chambolle 1er blend. It’s so much cheaper than say the Vosne Petit Monts (a great wine priced like it) and is more rustic than most Chambolle 1er crus - a bit like a baby Bonnes Mares.

Category 3: proper sleepers - wines from good vineyards from unknown producers or previously under performing producers whose improved quality is not yet reflected in their current reputations or just good producers making great wines from less well respected villages. I think someone like Lamarche could be in that first category as the quality of the wines have come on so much over the past 15 years although their reputation is rapidly growing. I’m not familiar enough with Damoy but am starting to hear better things. I’m not sure who I’d put in the second category, someone like Bize is probably too obvious - I’ll save this one for Martin and the other excellent thread on under the radar burgundy producers.

Does anyone have experience with Albert Bichot’s Vosne 1ers?

Excellent breakdown and suggestions.
It’s funny (or sad) that I have never really purchased any villages wines (except for some village level lieux dits) in my 25 or so years of buying Burgundy. I have always sought after the upper level wines, the better premier crus and the grand crus. The village wines seemed expensive enough (especially now) to not serve as everyday house drinkers, but not ā€œexciting enoughā€ to invest in for long term aging.
I am sure that I have missed some excellent wines in my narrow minded approach, and now that all Burgs have gotten so expensive, particularly in sought after vintages, knowing which village wines may be punching above their weight is very useful, as is knowing which wines at all levels are sleepers of course.

I’m actually a pretty big fan of village wines simply because long term storage is at a premium so I like wines that don’t need to sit for many years.

I like the Blagny suggestion.

Always would say some Savigny-les-Beaune.

I know what you mean about village wines and I too am underweight in them although I do buy some every vintage. They’re a great way to sample how a vintage is evolving without having to sacrifice some more expensive bottles in the name of science. I find I can open a very good producer’s village wines guilt free on a weeknight in a way that’s tougher to do with a top premier cru or grand cru. I also think some of the better village wines do reward long term aging and can really surprise but I get the not ā€œexciting enoughā€ to lay down.

A great wine, but it does need more time in the bottle…
Paul

Look for ā€˜lesser’ villages in warm years where grapes in vineyards lacking perfect exposure still get ripe: Marsannay, Fixin, St. Aubin, Santenay.
Savigny les beaune les serprentieres when you can find it; Joseph Drouhin makes a great Serprentieres in good years.
Paul

Some village-level sleepers for me off the top of my head and in no particular order:

Gouges Nuits-St.-George (not much difference between this and all but Vaucrains and Les St. Georges in the portfolio)
Joseph Voillot Volnay and Pommard VVs (Maureen astutely identified the Volnay Champans and Pommard Rugiens above, and these are cut from similar cloth)
Jean-Marc Morey Santenay Cornieres (always a big mouthful of savory Pinot fruit)
Frederic Esmonin Gevrey-Chambertin Jouises VV (the 2014 showed beautifully recently in the company of Fourrier’s G-C VV)
Jerome Chezeaux Nuits-St.-Georges Charbonnieres VV (lively red fruit, sap and drive)
Pierre Guillemot Savigny-les-Beaune Picotins and VV cuvee (pale, all red fruit, earthy and lithe)
Rollin Pernand-Vergelesses (can have some rusticity, but one of red Burgundy’s surest bets for $30; the 2011 is lovely)
Edmond Cornu Savigny-les-Beaune (darkish fruit, lean and super silky)
Jean-Marc Pillot Chassagne-Montrachet VV (this does not have complexity and finesse of the domaine’s 1er cru Clos St. Jean VV mentioned above, but has a similar depth and purity of red cherry fruit)
Ramonet Chassagne-Montrachet (similarly, this is a notch or two below the 1er cru Clos de la Boudriotte mentioned above, but it is a fully satisfying red Burgundy)

Well, I paid a bit over 100 euros for Raveneau Grand Crus
It’s a good price, but when you are ā€œallocataireā€ it’s only 35€ !!!
This is the reason why you can find sometime low price in restaurant.

Francois,

Cheapest price on Wine-Searcher for any 2012 Raveneau Grand Cru in the U.S. is $300.

More tomorrow on this thread.

Dan Kravitz

This may be controversial but I’m gonna throw out David Duband… cracked a 2011 clos sorbe tonight and it was beautiful.

insane pricing–MdT approaching $200 per bottle.

Quite a few well known names and wines on a sleeper list, no? :slight_smile:

Sorry for sounding like a smartass, couldn’t resist.

Any way-
Under the radar:
JJ Girard in Savigny. Scarcely imported to the US. Really cheap, and super transparent.
Lamy Pillot in Chassagne. Both reds and wines, my favorite white is the Pot Bois, priced like village, drinks like 1er Cru.

Sort of under the radar:
Lafouge- I saw a lot of posts, surprised everyone knows them this much. LOVE the wines.
Billard Gonnet- I saw a post or two, so I can’t claim uniqueness. The Bourgogne is STUPID.
Moreau Naudet in Chablis. Less powerful than Pattes Loup, so may work for those that don’t love Pico.
Samuel Billaud in Chablis. Wines are still dirt cheap. Freaking delicious.

Not really under the radar, just not enough love:
Pierre Gelin. Didn’t see a post above, wines are still dirt cheap. Love the Fixin Clos Napoleon and Gevrey Clos Meixville
Jean Marc Pillot. Only saw a single post, wines are still cheap. The Montagny (100+ year old vines) is stunning, and both Bourgogne Blanc and Rouge are off the charts.

I have not had the Duband wines; pricey from my source. His big challenge seems to be following in the foot steps of his predecessor for these vines. I would argue that almost all 2011 red Burgundies are sleepers, but that is a different discussion.

I sold the 2014 for $175 (relatively small margin) and I could have sold my allocation ten or 20 times. I am not sure what the price should be for these.

This thread is great. Keep 'em coming.

To be clear, there are two types of Bichot wines. Bichot is a large negociant, but they own a domaine that has a lot of really good holdings - called the Domaine Clos Frantin. http://www.albert-bichot.com/en/domaine-du-clos-frantin_20.html Some of my earliest excellent Burgundies were wines from Clos Frantin from the 60s and early 70s. I think the last vintage of this that I have tasted were 1985 Echezeauxs. They were quite tasting, but for a long time the Domaine did not have the best reputation. I am seeing more higher reviews for the wines lately, but I have not tasted these, although I have purchased a bit.

I’ve tasted a wide spectrum, and the closer to today the wines have been made, the better they are. The 2009 and 2010 Malconsorts were clearly above any other vintage I’ve had (oldest I had was the 90), and have had Chambertin and Eche back to 88. The 2010s were pretty damn good. Although pricing is also much higher today too.

Yeah I’m actually a pretty big fan of the '11s so far; I haven’t gotten the green vegetal notes some people have commented on; to me the duband had nice pure fruit and approachable without being overripe.