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The majority of what I drink are 2009 and 2010’s.
I nearly always decant the wine for 40-60 mins prior to drinking.
I always take a sip of the wine right after I pull the cork.
100% of the time the wine is significantly better after the time in the decanter than it was on that first sip.
Clearly, we need to change the topic to something far less explored: how should we tip on corkage?
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That’s the entire reason this thread exists.
How do you know? what you’re saying is that you enjoy it more after that initial exposure, quite reasonable but not the same thing at all.
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Have you tried taking a second or third sip before decanting? I wonder if your palate is just not “primed” for the wine on the first hit.
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I’ll tell you something for nothing: after you’ve had a few glasses, the next glass tends to taste great regardless
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Yes, Michael, we all understand that people check in for data points from others on how things are drinking (I also like to see notes for insight into producers’ styles, but often forget that so many folks on the thread already know literally everything about every producer’s style with 100% certainty, so that may be a perk totally lost on some).
Nonetheless, if someone asks, “when should I drink this champagne” to me, a response along the lines of “when it’s ready to drink” or “at its prime, duh” is no guidance at all.
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I don’t have much to add related to burgundy but for Nebbiolo - and I’m not referring to near bottling or the complicated closed phase. Air can without doubts turn a Nebbiolo wine tasting stale and dead, into a youthful fresh wine, the Nebbiolo resurrection.
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May I suggest the following :
Please have 2 of the same wine - for example : take 2 bottles of 2005 Bouchard Volnay-Caileret Anciene Cuvee Carnut and then open them at the same time. .
Marked the 1st bottle A and… do what you normal do : Open the bottle - take a sip first …and then decent it 60 minutes. Then started to drink the wine in a balloon-size Burgundy glass and enjoy it.
Marked the 2nd bottle B and …PNP your wine a balloon-size Burgundy glass, wait 2 to 3 minutes and then take a sip. Do not decant this bottle, but keep go back the wine glass in an interval of 4 to 6 minutes, for the next 60 minutes, to smell and take small sip to check how the wine would evolve.
Then after around 60 minutes compare the two wines which were marked A and marked B - and see which you would prefer.
From the abvoe experiment - there are two things for sure :
You know how wine Marked B…evolved from the 1st minute which you opened it to the 60th minutes - when you started drinking it.
You do not know how wine Marked A…evolved from the 1st minutes which you opened it to the 60 minutes.
That’s a bit of a red herring as nobody is currently talking about 50+ year old wines. The context was firmly in the young-ish camp.
Is it OK to make a post about a wine BEFORE you drink it, just because you are so excited about it??
@Sarah_Kirschbaum you posted a tasting note of a bottle of this exact same stuff that you drank earlier this year that was simply stunning! As compelling of a wine tasting note that I’d read in recent memory.
Me and my 90 year old dad and my 86 year old mom are trembling with excitement to open up this old bottle tomorrow that’s been sitting down in Dad’s basement in Bozeman, MT (where he was the student body president and homecoming king of Bozeman High in 1952) for so many years. I hope to all things good that the bottle is in fine shape, if so, it will be a night together that my family will never forget.
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Peter. My dear Corton brother!
You have put forth here some highly technical and elegant (and yet strategic!) courses of Burgundy appreciation.
Only can hope that I might find the courage and fortitude to execute on your prescribed methods.
I’m afraid it shows my age that I wouldn’t even begin to consider this to be an old bottle! I hope the pleasure matches your anticipation.
The 1999 at least in magnum is nowhere near ready.
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I hope it shows well for you, but I fear you may find my note more compelling than the wine. What I described was an excellent, satisfying, well made bottle of burgundy, showing very well and extremely pleasing, but explicitly without “wow factor” - not a criticism, just an honest assessment. Solid in the best kind of way. A great roast chicken wine. Nothing about this wine would suggest it deserves trembling with excitement, especially if it’s been sitting in a basement for years.
As for whether 2002 constitutes old or not, I am with @Tom_Blach My note states just entering maturity, and includes that I won’t drink another for three years or so. Not an old bottle by my definition.
I tend to think of you as gravitating towards more rich and aromaticslly flashy wines, so I hope you aren’t disappointed.
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Tortochot? A tasted through the 2023s. Didn’t like any of them. Angular, without charm. Only scored the Charmes and Mazis above the 90pts threshold (90, 91pts respectively). Didn’t taste the Vougeot & Chambertin.
I have a few thanks for the update.
How about half a bottle of ***2005 Bouchard Volnay-Caileret Anciene Cuvee Carnut **** for the same experiment ?
In other word : pour 375 ml in a Decanter, then take s sip and leave the grape juice which had been locked up - like in a prison for around 20 years -… ,for one hour without toughing it ( or talking to it ). then enjoy it..
Then pour the second 375 ml in a big burgundy balloon-size glass, about 1/4 quarter full - wait 2 to 3 minutes, then take a sip. Then repeat the exercise of smelling the grapes juice at an interval of 4 to 6 minutes - and take a small sip. If the wine did not evolved too much in 20 minutes or so…and swirling the wine glass more.
I suggest this as the grapes juice had been locked up for 2o yeas, and all a sudden, it is free from prison. 
I am sure it will be a moment in time for you and your family to p remember. Wine is for sharing.
Bonne-Mares by Jadot, in my view, is his third best red on paper. His Musigny is No.1 and CdBeze is No. 2. Jadot also released Chambertin but it is a negoc. bottle.
SAQ released Jadot CdBeze 2020 and B-Marres 2020 - same price CA $683.