Really good thread with lots of good data points. But for me, it’s really two threads. One is “How did the very top wines do in each vintage over the past 30 years, and give examples”, and “how is each vintage over the past 30 years doing in a more general sense, and give examples”. For me (and as Tom Blach points out) these are very different things. If La Tache was great in 2000, it doesn’t so much tell me much about the rest of the vintage (which for me was a totally different vintage from say 2001) No problem in that I’m enjoying having both in this thread, but on a personal level, I’m more interested in how producers like Chevillon, d’Angerville, Jadot premier crus, Bruno Clair, Bize, etc did, as that’s what I’m likely to own and drink.
Do tell. I haven’t had any in quite a while as it would typically taste like drinking cigarette ashes. Have the ugly ducklings turned into swans or did the wines you are drinking always show promise?
Yeah I get that, but what I posted is pretty much all I drink. I don’t drink as often as almost anyone on this board but when I do it’s almost exclusively top wines. That being said, I made the thread so people can share their experiences with whatever burgundies they drink.
Love reading the notes here from the group, and I agree with a lot of the sentiment. I also find 2019 to be an exceptional vintage where ripeness, freshness, and elegance all seem to fall into balance.
I just opened a couple 2022s and was delighted to find a lot of similar qualities to the 2019s. Really pleased so far with the vintage.
I also find 2021s are over-performing relative to expectations. They’re not 2019 or 2022 level, but they’re not far off, and there and as 22s continue to hit the market? I’m keeping my eyes open for markdowns on 21s.
I probably only open one a month but it’s a long time since I had a difficult one. Dujac, Chevillon and Barthod were in my experience pretty unpleasant but I don’t know what;s happened with those recently. Two from Fourrier(MSD Clos Solon, Gevrey Combe Aux Moines) were really magical in the last couple of weeks;
Steely-eyed view of vintages I care about:
BUY: 2001, 2010, 2012, 2019
OUTPERFORM: 2007, 2008, 2014
HOLD: 1999, 2002, 2015,
SELL: 1996, 2005, 2006, 2009, 2020
So presumably 2003, 2004 and 2011 were never worth engaging with in the first place ;)!
I get where you’re coming from, and that’s a big call on the 05s and 09s.
I think 09s aren’t drinking the best atm but may end up the best in the long run. I’ve been stocking up as prices are pretty good. Bought a bunch of 09 Rousseau Chambertin for less than 17 or 21 recently. Kinda agree on 05.
It’s an interesting thread, but by its very nature will actually not yield much information. Too many generalizations from people with vastly different palates.
With all these things it’s simply a question of what one has opened. I am mystified by the idea of buying more 2001, though, it’s given a huge amount of pleasure but is fading even at the very top in my experience over the last couple of years. There can be no doubt however that vintage is the least important variable in Burgundy and there will always be exceptions.
This is quite the sophisticated thread. Wishing I were in a wine group with you all! All I can contribute is that we enjoyed a 2018 Domaine Mongeard-Mugneret Les Vergelesses so much at a restaurant that we ordered a case of the same for 2019, drunk some with delight, and will keep the rest for dates TBD. Pronounced cherry flavors and balance today, we’ll be lucky to have a single one waiting for us in 2040!
I have drunk through a case of the 2015. Very tasty and still have 2 more cases! But not sure I plan to see how they are drinking in 2040, lol.
All of these 1990’s and 00’s … I’m having distinct wine envy!!
We just opened 01 La Tache and Rousseau Beze a few weeks ago and there were 0 signs of fading. If anything, the Rousseau could’ve used more time. I’ve had an awful lot of 01 in the past 12-18 months mostly top grand crus and I think well-stored wines have at least 5-10 more years in a good drinking window. Some wines, like Roumier Bonnes Mares and DRC GE/riche still aren’t that close to peak and probably need 5-10 before they’re there.
The 05s just seem like obsidian to me. They may fulfill their potential but I’m too old to wait. I’m selling on the come … or at least I would if I viewed wine like asset classes.
Is that a broad conspectus of the vintage, would you say?
Thanks for the report.
Idk, I’ve had probably 15 bottles in the last year and none seemed remotely close to fading. As mentioned above, I almost exclusively drink top grand crus and 1er, so have little idea how village wines, Bourgogne, and lesser regarded 1er/gcs are doing, but I wouldn’t expect much from village wines or Bourgogne 23 years out although I guess you could be surprised.
Strange list 
My favorite vintages over the past number of years have been 1999 and 2010. 1999 is just an incredible vintage. If you really want to be impressed, try a 1999 Volnay.
Beyond 1999, some of my favorite vintages to drink RIGHT NOW are 2001, 2002 and 2007. IMHO, the next vintages to be like this will be 2017 and 2021.
I hope that 2005 eventually proves as great as the hype for it has always been. I have a lot of it.
A vintage that is turning out to be better than I originally thought is 2012. 2006, by contrast, is turning out to be much worse than I would have thought. Not as bad as 2004 and there are some good ones (like a 2006 Truchot MSD les Sorbes I had a couple of weeks ago) but still approach 2006s with caution.
I don’t get the love for 2009s. While there are excellent ones, too many have insufficient acidity to make me rate the vintage very highly. 2007s are so much more elegant wines than are 2009s. Might have a different view if you value size more than elegance.
If you want to look for underrated vintages where there might be bargains (I tend not to buy older wines but these wines were pretty well priced years ago when I purchased them), look for 2001s, 2002s and 2007s.
I have not had that much 2021 reds but the ones I have had have been wonderful.
Only have had 2022s at one place - Rossignol-Trapet. I will be tasting a lot more in March at the Paulee Grand Tasting in NYC. I am excited to try more. What I tasted at RT had the richness of vintages like 2020 but with a lot more acidity.