Lets look at this theory where wine dates beyond 12,000 years...

[Bill_Tex_Landreth]

[Corey_N]

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[David_K_o_l_i_n]

Brett Favre

[Bill_Tex_Landreth]

@Corey N.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpCbCRGg9Xg

[Bill_Tex_Landreth]

@David K o l i n

Brett Favre

[Corey_N]

[Mark_C]

@Bill Tex Landreth

@Corey N.

@Joe B

What was this pigskin wine from a million years ago rated?

Well if it was anything under 90 points, we know from your signature that it was splunk (although I’m willing to wager 90 points that you mean “plonk”.)

Could have meant spelunking.

That would make him a caviste.

[Corey_N]

@M Champney

That would make him a caviste.

Isn’t that the guy who used to hawk exclusive wines made “naturally” in a pterodactyl’s bladder? I used to get his cuneiform tablets sent to me every day, but they just cluttered up my lawn. Plus, delivery was always a hassle.

[Mark_C]

@Corey N.

@M Champney

That would make him a caviste.

Isn’t that the guy who used to hawk exclusive wines made “naturally” in a pterodactyl’s bladder? I used to get his cuneiform tablets sent to me every day, but they just cluttered up my lawn. Plus, delivery was always a hassle.

Yes, the chai at the winery was carved out of Bedrock and they were always playing Mark Bolan music…

[Joe_B]

@Corey N.

@Joe B

What was this pigskin wine from a million years ago rated?

Well if it was anything under 90 points, we know from your signature that it was splunk (although I’m willing to wager 90 points that you mean “plonk”.)

Nope. I mean splunk. Dont follow the crowd. Be original.

[Corey_N]

@Joe B

@Corey N.

@Joe B

What was this pigskin wine from a million years ago rated?

Well if it was anything under 90 points, we know from your signature that it was splunk (although I’m willing to wager 90 points that you mean “plonk”.)

Nope. I mean splunk. Dont follow the crowd. Be original.

So you should go your own path. Interesting. Is that anything like not blindly following critics who dole out 90 points like a politician doles out promises in an election year?

[Joe_B]

@Corey N.

@Joe B

@Corey N.

Well if it was anything under 90 points, we know from your signature that it was splunk (although I’m willing to wager 90 points that you mean “plonk”.)

Nope. I mean splunk. Dont follow the crowd. Be original.

So you should go your own path. Interesting. Is that anything like not blindly following critics who dole out 90 points like a politician doles out promises in an election year?

It is whatever it is, but certainly not worth badgering someone over.

[Jonathan_Loesberg]

I’m not sure if this is supposed to be taken seriously, but anatomically modern human beings only appeared around 200,000 years ago (the first homo sapiens go back half a million) and agriculture is surely not older than 20,000 years, the first real evidence of it being about 10,000 years. Even assuming that wine is virtually simultaneous with agriculture (and I’m willing to assume that), I don’t see getting back much beyond 10,000.

[jdietz]

@Jonathan Loesberg

I’m not sure if this is supposed to be taken seriously, but anatomically modern human beings only appeared around 200,000 years ago (the first homo sapiens go back half a million) and agriculture is surely not older than 20,000 years, the first real evidence of it being about 10,000 years. Even assuming that wine is virtually simultaneous with agriculture (and I’m willing to assume that), I don’t see getting back much beyond 10,000.

• or - 2,000 years???

[Corey_N]

@Joe B

It is whatever it is, but certainly not worth badgering someone over.

We Don't Need No Stinking Badgers!

[Mark_C]

@Corey N.

@Joe B

It is whatever it is, but certainly not worth badgering someone over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx6TBrfCW54

Note, however, they’re not honey badgers, just badgers, honey.

[John_D_Zuccarino]

@Jonathan Loesberg

I’m not sure if this is supposed to be taken seriously, but anatomically modern human beings only appeared around 200,000 years ago (the first homo sapiens go back half a million) and agriculture is surely not older than 20,000 years, the first real evidence of it being about 10,000 years. Even assuming that wine is virtually simultaneous with agriculture (and I’m willing to assume that), I don’t see getting back much beyond 10,000.

wrong… who says humans were the only ones to drink wine…


also wild grapes go back millions of years … wine goes back millions of years too… hunter gathers made wine by accident at first … also by observing drunk animals around fruit that was fermenting… come on BB lets not think like bugs…

[Mark_C]

@Ed Murray

@Bill Tex Landreth

Well…

Since the Earth is only approximately 6000 years old, all of your options are over that number. So, I cannot choose one in good faith. I think that you really need to evaluate all the data you are basing your number on. The Scriptures tell us the World is relatively new, and lots of scientific evidence such as dust on the Moon backs this up.

The earth is 4.5 billion years old…

Age of Earth - Wikipedia

Did I miss something?

The sarcasm?

[Mark_C]

@John D. Zuccarino

@Jonathan Loesberg

I’m not sure if this is supposed to be taken seriously, but anatomically modern human beings only appeared around 200,000 years ago (the first homo sapiens go back half a million) and agriculture is surely not older than 20,000 years, the first real evidence of it being about 10,000 years. Even assuming that wine is virtually simultaneous with agriculture (and I’m willing to assume that), I don’t see getting back much beyond 10,000.

wrong… who says humans were the only ones to drink wine…


also wild grapes go back millions of years … wine goes back millions of years too… hunter gathers made wine by accident at first … also by observing drunk animals around fruit that was fermenting… come on BB lets not think like bugs…

There was a berry bush outside my grandparent’s house in Cocoa Beach and every year when the fruit ripened and fell to the ground it would ferment. One could smell the ETOH from a mile away; so could the robins who would arrive in droves and get totally pissed to the point where they could no longer fly.

[Jonathan_Loesberg]

@John D. Zuccarino

@Jonathan Loesberg

I’m not sure if this is supposed to be taken seriously, but anatomically modern human beings only appeared around 200,000 years ago (the first homo sapiens go back half a million) and agriculture is surely not older than 20,000 years, the first real evidence of it being about 10,000 years. Even assuming that wine is virtually simultaneous with agriculture (and I’m willing to assume that), I don’t see getting back much beyond 10,000.

wrong… who says humans were the only ones to drink wine…


also wild grapes go back millions of years … wine goes back millions of years too… hunter gathers made wine by accident at first … also by observing drunk animals around fruit that was fermenting… come on BB lets not think like bugs…

Although fermented fruit occurs in nature, human beings are the only ones who make wine. Saying that nature makes something is a convenient figure of speech, but when one starts to think that that’s what happens, absurd theories of teleological evolution soon follow. Since, of course, the point of this thread is to be absurd, though, perhaps that is just this one’s natural next step.

As to hunter gatherers, having discovered fermenting fruit then turning to making wine, they would have to cease to be hunter gatherers. Either they would cultivate the grapes they would ferment and thus have turned to agriculture or minimally they would stick around places where they could reliably find whatever forebear of grapes grew naturally. Since sticking around a place makes hunter gathering an ineffective means of supporting any population for very long, they would have to turn to agriculture within a generation or so. And, to get back to where I started, since reliable evidence of agriculture only takes it back 10,000 years…