Different capsules in Coche Corton Charly

Pirom_P · January 28, 2019, 10:04am

So ive heard that exports to certain countries will result in capsules of different colours for Coche’s Cortons. I’m not sure however which is which - anyone know what the difference is between white and gold?

Kelly_Walker · January 28, 2019, 2:36pm

All of mine from Kermit Lynch are white capsules.

Gerhard_P · January 28, 2019, 3:08pm

There also seem to be different labels for the CC, one with the usual pot on top, one with a crest - and a golden one …

Any hints ?

William_Kelley · January 28, 2019, 5:09pm

I just posed the question to one of their French distributors, will let you know the answer.

CFu · January 28, 2019, 5:23pm

The 2010 I had was gold. 2012 was white. 2013 is gold. Shrug. All from Kermit

alan_weinberg · January 28, 2019, 6:05pm

“Collect them all!”

B_Buzzini · January 28, 2019, 7:14pm

10 gold 04 white here. Kermit import

Pirom_P · January 29, 2019, 8:51am

Thanks for all the response guys though now this is even more confusing!

William, any response from the distributor?

Thanks!

billnanson · January 29, 2019, 9:06am

Damn those distributors - nearly 15 hours - mostly overnight, and still no response…

Gerhard_P · January 29, 2019, 9:08am

The question is: identical in all countries/regions … or different ?
I´ve never seen a golden one in Europe …

Pirom_P · January 29, 2019, 9:50am

the plot thickens!

Herwig_Janssen · January 29, 2019, 2:09pm

My 2012 is white ; 2010 and 2013 golden

William_Kelley · January 29, 2019, 3:31pm

He agreed that both are still being used, but is going to ask Raphaël if there’s any logic behind it.

Personally, I like the old-fashioned white capsules.

Richard_Albert · January 29, 2019, 4:40pm

I bet with Gerhard, different market destinations.

With brands such as Coche, folks will assemble an inventory by “hook or by crook”(come on, its vernacular, no serious implication intended). Therefore, I theorize you may see quite mixture of the truly hard to get in certain markets.

We direct imported lots of Burgundy and I saw many capsule and label variations compared to official importers’ bottles such as the giant Chateau and Estates.
For example Ramonet;
We had a kinky connection to the domaine, a truly striking couple, an airline pilot and flight attendant who had some kinda connection to the domaine. They would fly into SFO and hand carry directly to the Marin Wine Cellar, Montrachet and Batard Montrachet on an irregular basis, in heavily laden suitcases. We drank way too many bottles of 1982, 1985 and 1986 and from mags too, thank my lucky stars. Taking the photo just now jogged my vinous recall of the very best. Those capsules and labels were totally different.
Speaking of different, we were told that the Batard was superior to any other(agreed) because declassified Montrachet was blended in.
There were also quietly mentioned rumors of “Cuvee American”, we never bought any C & E Ramonet, so we never compared contents.

I could not find a photo of the C & E capsule, but I recall it was cream and green.

IMO, it is just the capsule today, why bother with separate labeling?

Gerhard_P · January 29, 2019, 5:02pm

Ramonet: I´ve never seen the upper label (green “M”) in Europe, only the bottom one (blue crest)!

CFu · January 29, 2019, 5:20pm

Top label is for the US imports. Bottom one is in europe

William_Kelley · January 29, 2019, 5:36pm

I bet with Gerhard, different market destinations.

With brands such as Coche, folks will assemble an inventory by “hook or by crook”(come on, its vernacular, no serious implication intended). Therefore, I theorize you may see quite mixture of the truly hard to get in certain markets.

We direct imported lots of Burgundy and I saw many capsule and label variations compared to official importers’ bottles such as the giant Chateau and Estates.
For example Ramonet;
We had a kinky connection to the domaine, a truly striking couple, an airline pilot and flight attendant who had some kinda connection to the domaine. They would fly into SFO and hand carry directly to the Marin Wine Cellar, Montrachet and Batard Montrachet on an irregular basis, in heavily laden suitcases. We drank way too many bottles of 1982, 1985 and 1986 and from mags too, thank my lucky stars. Taking the photo just now jogged my vinous recall of the very best. Those capsules and labels were totally different.
Speaking of different, we were told that the Batard was superior to any other(agreed) because declassified Montrachet was blended in.
There were also quietly mentioned rumors of “Cuvee American”, we never bought any C & E Ramonet, so we never compared contents.

I could not find a photo of the C & E capsule, but I recall it was cream and green.

IMO, it is just the capsule today, why bother with separate labeling?

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Given that people buying from Kermit are getting both white and gold, that doesn’t seem to be the case here.

Russell_Faulkner · January 29, 2019, 6:01pm

Is the CC bottled barrel by barrel?

William_Kelley · January 29, 2019, 7:00pm

I believe that is still the case for all the wines. They are, however, racked once during the élevage after the completion of malolactic to homogenize the cuvées.

Richard_Albert · January 29, 2019, 7:26pm

Pirom, your three 2012’s with different capsules are the key. Are they all from the same source and importer?

Without Priom’s answer at this point, I am still going to stay with my theory which I now refine to bottled for specific markets/importers, random colors selected per vintage, based on barrel selected cuvees.