I had to read that a few times. As suspected, they are bulking out Martin Ray wine.
I’m sticking to buying nothing that source guess isn’t 100%.
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As suspected? I confirmed maybe two months ago that multiple of the shiners that went straight to bottle shop - not future lots - were ALL Martin Ray wine shiners.
But I’m guessing 90% of the future lots, if not more, are not Martin Ray. They simply don’t have that much wine and that diverse of offerings.
And why should anyone be surprised about this? It is part of their overall business strategy, right? Though they probably should just disclose it right?
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I think they should. I think that would be a moral thing to do. Something like Note: We own the original winery that produced this or part of this wine.
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You can download an extension that disables all those article firewalls. Ethical - maybe not, but it’s pretty easy! I learned about this here on this site! I clicked on your link, and wala - full article! I’m using Popupoff in chrome. It disables overlays - which is the problem with most “pay” articles.
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@Timothy_B_a_l_l_a_r_d previously said it’s most likely these guys. Looks good, but I’m holding out for the Prop Red.
I’m not a sleuth, by any description, but I believe the source guess for lot 25 was SMV. The offer mentions lot 269 (which I don’t have) as the last Spring Mountain offer (and not necessarily the source for 513). The source guess for that was Avid, according to de negociants.
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Just throwing this out there…
What about
Vs
Mentions mid to high 90’s
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Keep in mind Lot 513 and 514 are likely same Producer. The 514 is a Propietary Red. Does Courtney’s label offer one?
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Not sure SMV matches based on bottle price $100 over sale price before shipping, presumably $120+. I don’t think SMV has an offering that expensive at release.
EDIT Misunderstood wording, over $100 per bottle but not $100 over release price.
And lot 515 which cometh is a Spring Mtn. Cab Franc, so lots 513, 514 and 515 all match Spring Mountain Vineyards.
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Spring Mountain makes both Oriri and Occasus Cabernets that sell for $110. Don’t see much tech data though. Occasus says its has merlot in it and is aged for 22 months.
I’d be interested in a mixed pack of 513-15…4 of each. Otherwise I’ve just got too much wine to store. Otherwise I’m holding out for 2023
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$299 for a case of 513 LOL
Why LOL too high or too low??
high
Hi Matt, I wrote Esther in the Chronicle early this year about DeNegoce and told her to investigate. She mentioned a few people tipped her off.
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Fun times at SMV
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SF Chronicle has the story behind DeNegoce and Cameron ‘vanishing’, and WB is apparently mentioned throughout, but it’s paywalled
https://www.sfchronicle.com/food/wine/article/de-negoce-wine-sale-19816302.php
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