Not familiar with Wilson
$17 a bottle will get you '19 Zialena from WTSO, a known quality with free shipping at 4 bottles or more.
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Yeah, but this offer could be anything. It could even be something as good as Zialena.
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Random: I bought some wine (not dN) from K&L wines in San Francisco. I picked it up so all the wine was in standard wine boxes, with the top cut off like a grocery store would do. I sorted through my wine and filled up the box. As I was naming this case āmixed party packā I noticed de Negoce on the side. I didnāt think twice about it. I have tons of dN. But then I saw Chardonnay which I donāt buy and realized it was a standard sized caseā¦wondering why K&L would have this box. The only dN I see on their site is a N.29 someone put up for auction.
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someone could have dropped off wine to sell through them using a DN box.
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Another long time family operation, 90 for 20 anyone?
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Sounds like Rochioli againā¦
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Thereās been Dehlinger guesses every time Goldridge soils are mentioned. 72, 201, 225, 234.
Not sure their family history goes back to early 1900s, I thought Tom Dehlinger started in the 70s. So Rocchioli makes more sense. 
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Lot 464 is 13.1%ā¦I donāt really recall either Rochioli nor Dehlinger making pinots that leanā¦usually well over 14%. With that said, Iām in for a case, 13.1% pinot is right up my alley! Joseph Swan?
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Thatās pretty funny. What are the odds?
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That is interesting, the ones I can find info on all seem to be in the 14-14.5% range, albeit limited sample so who knows if thereās more variance. All the other info seems to line up very well for them though (early 1900s, critic scores, single vineyard thatās mailing list only, price point, previous DN offer etc)
The weird thing is itās a normal box. This seems like it would have come straight from the source. Boxes they use in the warehouse and then repack into shippers.
Regardless itās a sign. Maybe itās Cam reaching out from a parallel universe. Maybe itās a sign that I need to buy the PN on offer!
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Since that wine is after Camās time at dN, I imagine it was DeNegoce bringing down samples for the buyers at K&L.
Will be interesting to see if they sell something as dN (like 29 (edit: nevermind, that was an auction) or private labelled like this 2022 Russian River Sauvignon Blanc:
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Just a note on DN customer service. I ordered 6 of the #464 this morning. After reflection, (and reading some producer speculation on this board), I requested to change the order from 6 to 12 bottles. Within minutes, I got a reply with the cancellation of the order of 6 bottles, an addition of a case order, and an invoice for the difference. Wow! Kudos to DN service.
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Itās been a step up in operations for sure with new team. Items ship as promised, maybe too soon it seems!?? NOT. Sourcing has been OK, not stellar, but good enough. If new team is reading this thread, maybe try for some more Aussie Sau Blancs like 346/347? Liking the Burgundy offers.
Cheers, Tim
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218 is quite good. Itās my household favorite DN syrah. I will say Iāve had a bit of bottle variation. For every 3 that taste great there will be one that just tastes like red wine. Might use my credits to resupply - this could be the last chance.
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When did Cam leave DN? I must have missed that announcement.
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Everyone missed the announcement as there was noneā¦just speculation as he dropped off this forum, emails werenāt signed with his name anymore but instead āDN Teamā or things of that nature, the copy of the wine descriptions changed, etc.
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It seems that a number of dN customers on this thread have cut way back (like me) or stopped buying dN completely since Cam left. Cam has a long track record of being able to tell when wine in a barrel will be excellent after its been bottled for a year or more. We donāt know who the buyers are now or their experience level. Thereās also been a number of wineries and retailers (such as Underground cellars) going out of business, flooding the market with up to 85% off wine. These sales draw buyers away from dN mystery wines to known wines at the same discount.
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Speculation is that he departed soon after Lot 401 futures were offered.
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