De Negoce offer (Part 1)

[J_Patrick_Lynch]

We’ve airlifted 7 of the Claudine wines into Singapore, 5 of the de Négoce wines plus 4 shiners that have been offered to our club to see if we want them.

I figure this is a lost-in-translation thing, but just say shipped or air freight. This isn’t a military operation.

I actually have a wealthy friend who is going to land his private helicopter at Claudine.

But we ordered 100 cases, so he’s bringing his Chinook.

[Toby_P]

Yeah good article, the Oregon / Washington previews are pretty damn enticing!

[Vince_L1]

Yes a mixed case!!!

[J_Patrick_Lynch]

This article will be very interesting around here, too busy to post highlights. Lots of reviews of future wines.

https://www.vinography.com/2020/09/cameron-hughes-is-at-it-again

Most interesting is Cam didn’t really let him try any Cabs besides #2 and #42 (I think) that are expensive. #17 and #43 are not.

But he has let a few journalists drink #2 so I wonder if he has a lot more of that stashed away…

We’ve got our first sample case. Oregon PN. Nice.

[Kris_Patten]

Interesting, other than suggesting incorrectly that distributors mark up brands 50%. If I cleared half that I’d be the best wholesaler in America and most hated for taking people to the hoop like that.

Oregon and Washington are intriguing. I find those WA retail price to be very inflated though and hard to believe.

[MatthewT]

#70 and #82 sound amazing cause very different from what we’ve had before.

#70 4 different Pinots and #82 a Walla Walla blend.

He gave both amongst his highest reviews.

Kind of funny #70 cost is “TBD” and the only mixed case he’s ever offered so…LOOK OUT ABOVE

[Curtis_Chen]

Gonna pick up that mixed Pinot. Shoot, might even go for the Walla Wallas.

[MatthewT]

Gonna pick up that mixed Pinot. Shoot, might even go for the Walla Wallas.

I’m gonna buy…everything

[Andreas_Birnik]

This article will be very interesting around here, too busy to post highlights. Lots of reviews of future wines.

https://www.vinography.com/2020/09/cameron-hughes-is-at-it-again

Most interesting is Cam didn’t really let him try any Cabs besides #2 and #42 (I think) that are expensive. #17 and #43 are not.

But he has let a few journalists drink #2 so I wonder if he has a lot more of that stashed away…

Thanks for sharing MatthewT. This is a great article. I have tried OG N.05, N.06, N.08, N.13 and N.17. For now, I think OG N.17 drinks the best followed by OG N.08; the other three will need more time. Alder Yarrow gave OG N.17 9 points in the article that you shared.

[PeterH]

I’d buy the Chehalem Pinot in advance of advance if possible. You do you all make sure you get immediate notice of the releases? I can’t sit around my computer all day.

[JonathanG]

Just when i thought I would slow down my buying you have to go and post that article. Guess I’m staying on the train! Nice to see some professional validation for what we were hoping this would be.

[ScottieB]

N.59 Could be Nicolson Jones Segassia Vineyard

Nicholson Jones Debuts its First Vintage from Napa Valley’s Acclaimed...

“Segassia Vineyard produces extraordinary Cabernet Sauvignon fruit. The award-winning wines created from this special vineyard possess ripe and rich black fruit notes…Fruit from this vineyard has been crafted into some of the finest wines in the Napa Valley and has a consistent history of garnering 93+ point scores from critics.”

N.60 Could be Nicolson Jones Sleeping Lady

Winemaker for both Julien Fayard: https://www.fayardwinemaking.com/

[J_Patrick_Lynch]

N.59 Could be Nicolson Jones Segassia Vineyard
https://www.prweb.com/releases/nicholson_jones_debuts_its_first_vintage_from_napa_valleys_acclaimed_segassia_vineyard_on_mt_veeder/prweb16618017.htm

“Segassia Vineyard produces extraordinary Cabernet Sauvignon fruit. The award-winning wines created from this special vineyard possess ripe and rich black fruit notes…Fruit from this vineyard has been crafted into some of the finest wines in the Napa Valley and has a consistent history of garnering 93+ point scores from critics.”

N.60 Could be Nicolson Jones Sleeping Lady

Winemaker for both Julien Fayard: https://www.fayardwinemaking.com/

I made my case for that on pages 90 & 91

[MatthewT]

I’d buy the Chehalem Pinot in advance of advance if possible. You do you all make sure you get immediate notice of the releases? I can’t sit around my computer all day.

You don’t have a phone? You get emails when they drop. Eventually he said he’s going to add text notification.

[Troy_Stark]

We’ve airlifted 7 of the Claudine wines into Singapore, 5 of the de Négoce wines plus 4 shiners that have been offered to our club to see if we want them.

I figure this is a lost-in-translation thing, but just say shipped or air freight. This isn’t a military operation.

Why would you even make this comment? It adds nothing of value to the conversation and is completely unnecessary and pedantic.

[MatthewT]

I’m surprised #17 is on the top of a lot of people’s lists. It’s a VERY good sign that these wines will live up to expectations because #17 is at the bottom of the price point and he never released a “retail price” for it and we think it’s a $30 retail wine.

[David_Buck]

I’m surprised #17 is on the top of a lot of people’s lists. It’s a VERY good sign that these wines will live up to expectations because #17 is at the bottom of the price point and he never released a “retail price” for it and we think it’s a $30 retail wine.

Though it just got hammered on CT by Mercurius …Think we are going to find reviews all over the map upcoming…

I was surprised Cam let that blogger see his sources. I would of thought Cam wouldnt let that out to anyone. The “blue chip” wineries line encouraging.

[Andreas_Birnik]

I’m surprised #17 is on the top of a lot of people’s lists. It’s a VERY good sign that these wines will live up to expectations because #17 is at the bottom of the price point and he never released a “retail price” for it and we think it’s a $30 retail wine.

OG N.17 is not a wine that I think will reach great potential over time. But it has only 25% new oak so it is accessible already now without feeling like you get smacked in the face by an oak monster. I was at Penfolds in the Barossa Valley, South Australia, in January and I tried a young Grange vintage (AUD 900 per bottle). This wine is 100% new American oak and it arguably takes a decade or even longer to fully come together. I’ve deliberately bought some of the cheaper de Négoce wines, with a lower percentage new oak, to have something to drink while I give the higher quality 50%+ new oak wines some time to integrate. For those adopting an “I will only buy the most expensive de Négoce releases”, I hope you don’t plan on opening those bottles during 2020. For the most expensive de Négoce bottles, i.e. OG N.59 & N.60, Cameron Hughes specifically cautioned buyers to forget about them for a few years to give them time to mature.

[J_Patrick_Lynch]

Why would you even make this comment? It adds nothing of value to the conversation and is completely unnecessary and pedantic.

He’s been droning on and on about his shipping container and self-importance via his wine club. There has to be at least 10 posts of him saying the same thing about what he’s doing. Shipping wine via a plane (a totally normal occurrence) and referring to is as an airlift is just an extension of that.

If you have an issue with me lightly calling out his aggrandizing, you’re welcome to foe me.

[larry_schaffer]

So now there is a "correlation’ between percentage of new oak and ‘accessibility’? Not a linear relationship at all…