http://www.clive-coates.com/tastings/vintage/2005-burgundy-ten-years-on
lovely notes. Hierarchical as usual, but very fine indeed. Yawn–don’t miss The Vine tasting notes even though I subscribed from way back.
Clive hates the folks at Mongeard-Mugneret for some reason but otherwise these are not bad notes at all.
I always appreciate snapshots. I have a ton of these wines.
I enjoyed the notes. However, I cannot square his “optimum drinking” times with his statement in the preliminary discussion, “Don’t start opening the best until 2020 or so.”
Frankly, I agree with the quoted statement and actually think it is optimistic. But his drinking windows …
I cant believe its already been 10 years
Wonder if the 2005s will be better or at the same level as 1999s. Anyone with enough experience can chime in with their perspective?
I opened one of my 2005 Volnay Santenots last Wednesday. I agree that it is no where near ready. His five year suggestion may be right, but I suspect it may be optimistic, which at my age does not make me happy.
Is this the same Clive Coates who told me that Henri Jayer was over rated??
Great to see someone mark a wine as a 20.
Interesting. Despite the fact that i bought tons of 05s, he posted notes on very few wines I own.
Clive is not that industrious , and never has been. He reviews what’s placed in front of him.
Predictably, the Rousseau Chambertin is the recipient of the 20 points.
he often reviews Rousseau Chamb at 20 points. In The Vine, he called the 88 the greatest young Chamb he had ever tasted. Heard a story once–the veracity of which I do not know–that a case of both Chamb and Beze goes gratis to Coates after each visit chez Rousseau. Probably shouldn’t spread a rumor I can’t verify.
Nevertheless you just did.
The Rousseau Clos St. Jacques got 19.5…lots of love for Rousseau
Probably really is one of the top 5 wines of the vintage though…but he prety much has this wine at 19.5 or 20 in every vintage.
A decent wine, but no way anywhere this good. This is pretty typical of his hierarchical scoring, this forming part of the big 3.
A close call, but I would now give it to '05’s, where as a few years ago I think I would have '99 ahead, based mostly on the improvement I have seen in some of the top '05’s vs most '99’s seem to have barely changed.
'05 is perhaps better (very generally speaking) across the board, and more even in quality from top to bottom.
Interesting also that there are some '05’s that are very open for drinking (and much more so than you would expect), along with many that are completely shut down hard.
Most better '99’s do seem to be in shut down mode at present.
Agree on both points, Paul. I didn’t say the Rousseau Chambertin “20” was undeserved; just predictable from Clive.
And, I have long felt that the Rousseau CSJ (and others from the vineyard) are way overrated by the market. Charles Rousseau bought that holding to add to the estate before his father died tragically in 1959? in a car accident. He has long loved it as a result and lavished it with more NFO-- and esteem-- than it benefits from, for me. The Mazy and Ruchottes are, IMO, inherently better wines there. Perhaps the
Clos de la Roche might be, though very “un-Gevrey”, not surprisingly.
Well, it hasn’t… 10 years ago these were still green grapes. A mite bit too soon for a “retrospective,” I say.
Thanks for sharing. Glad I have both 6 bottles each of the Lambrays and Tart: he graded both 18 points. Interesting as they are so different in style.
Yes,
Funnily enough almost the opposite of Burghound in many respects, who seems to have rated Rousseau fairly lowly in general until the last 4-5 years…
Agree on the Mazy and Rouchottes. Haven’t always been a huge fan of the CDLR from what I have had, but I think this is one wine in recent years that has really shot up in quality.