Perrot-Minot made stunning Chambertin AND Beze in 2005 .
Dugat-Py for Chambertin…one whole barrel of it! On a par with Leroy and Rousseau, however…
Among the producers not mentioned above, I really like the Chambertin of Rossignol-Trapet. Anyone who has not had the 98 or 99 should get some.
Howard,
Thanks for the tip, haven’t had any before, but as I almost always agree with you, sounds like something to seek out. And '98 really is an underappreciated Gevrey vintage.
Cheers,
-Robert
OK, good to know … thanks.
Dugat-Py is on my list above. However I wonder how many actually have tasted it …
Also on the list … not 98/99. There are re-releases from the 70ties, e.g. 1976 … (good, not great).
Gerhard – If you’re seeing bottles labelled Rossignol-Trapet from the 1970s, they would either be Trapet bottlings under the R-T label or fakes because the estate (resulting from a division of the Trapet estate) did not exist then.
Claude,
I´m sure these are Trapet-bottlings from the 70ies - with a “new” Rossignol-Trapet label.
I guess when the “old” Trapet-domaine split up in 1990 they simply shared the old stock, too … and later Rossignol-T released part of it.
The 1976 was all one could long from a mature Chambertin, very typical - except lacking a bit in depth and intensity …
To turn the question in a somewhat different direction, which of these producers’ Chambertin and Beze would you avoid buying?
FWIW: I´ve had quite a few Chambertins by
Jaboulet-Vercherre
and
Camille Giroud
from 1964 to 1978,
well worth a try if not too expensive.
Good question !
Of course it depends on the price. I would not hesitate to try any Chambertin and CdBeze for 30 to 40 Euros, older ones in good condition for even more,
but at the usual price level
Rebourseau is a huge disapointment, tastes like a Village-wine,
and also Betragna was not worth the money by far.
Both Moillards can be really good with proper age (25+y), but young they are not very „giving“.
Question:
is Chezeaux always the same wine as Ponsot ?
Hi Robert.
Yes for Chambertin.
Yes for Griotte-Chambertin since 2004
Yes for Clos St.Denis
Yes for Chambolle-Charmes
Robert T
Also seek out Nicolas Rossignol’s Volnay’s (Domaine Rossignol) and more specifically the Caillerets. i remember your appreciation for volnay and the caillerets vineyard.
He is the winemaker/owner at both Rossignol and Rossignol-Trapet.
the wines were a little overoaked for a while but like JL Trapet things have really come together beginning with the 96 and 98 vintage. Rossignol- Trapet turned the corner for me in 01 and 02 and nailed the 05’s, and i really regret having missed out on the 99’s volnay’s from Domaine Rossignol.
where are the "morey and Gagnard’s when you need them!?
hope you are well.
Chet,
I agree with you on Rossignol. Had some great '05 Rossignol Volnays.
Chet, are you sure that it is the same Nicolas Rossignol at the two domaines. I once asked a friend who is close with the broker from Rossignol-Trapet and thought he told me that they were not related. I can check again if nobody here knows the answer.
Thanks Robert. We really need to taste together sometime, either here or there. By the way, last night we had an offline where producers tasted included Truchot (lots of Truchot), Bachelet, Clos de Lambrays and Rousseau. Not a bad night.
Sounds like a great tasting Howard. Are you going to write it up ?
Also for anyone, what’s the difference between Rossignol Trapet and JL Trapet ?
If I can figure out everything we had, I will right it up.
Rossignol Trapet and JL Trapet are from the same family and once part of a larger estate called Trapet. That estate was divided up between two parts of the family about 20 years ago or so.
Both parts are now quality estates. Trapet to me makes wines in a more modern style, while I think RT makes more of a traditionally styled wine. I happened to like the RT wines more, but I know of others with the opposite preference.
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looked around to verify
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