Cathiard Vineyard visit February 2023

One of my wine buddies visited Smith-Haut Lafitte last summer in Bordeaux and became friends with Daniel Cathiard, owner of SHL. Mr. Cathiard invited him to come taste at what was previously Flora Springs Estate, purchased in 2020 before Covid shut down the world. We spent 3+ hours with the Cathiard’s touring the property, tasting the wines and enjoying great company.

We visited the winery on a Sunday, hosted by Mr. and Mrs. Cathiard, who could not be more hospitable to a group of mostly strangers. They made it perfectly clear to us that they want to establish a family owned winery and not a conglomerate.

I actually have previously visited and tasted at Flora Springs in May of 2019. There are definitive changes with new ownership at the winery.

They have what they call the new winery and the old winery building. The new winery building is on the left hand side of the property after you drive across the bridge entering the estate. The old winery building consists of the original caves and has just a small amount of new barrels as they only have the 21’ and 22’ vintages currently in barrek; but with the SHL logo on the exterior of the barrels.

We were hosted by Mr. Cathiard, Daniel Cathiard and his wife Florence. The winery is not currently open for business. They literally do not even have a credit card terminal to take an order as of our visit. Florence noted they have a niece who will be running the estate and they will be visiting several times a year from BDX to stay on property and help with the winery.

They will be using all estate fruit for the wines, no sourced fruit.

Mr. Cathiard has a unique Land Rover with a Tesla engine that has bench seating in the rear they will have guests driven through the vineyards and property on. This will likely be for VIP guests only.

They are using double truncunated vats in the new winery building, which was retrofitted. The vats were imported from France. The equipment delivery was delayed due to Covid and supply chain issues as well as port congestion. There is quite an improvements investment in the winery and vineyard by the Cathiard’s.

Catwalks above tanks were installed. The tank sizes alternate to make room for more wine exposure at the top and bottom of the vats. They think this is a unique approach in Napa.

The wines are punched down unless they want to extract, then they pump over.

Per Mr. Cathiard, the rules to make wine here are simpler than Bordeaux, however the rules for construction are much more difficult here including the permit process.

They ripped out Malbec near the driveway as you enter the estate and will replant cab.

Cooperage: They want to build their own barrels inside the winery. They are waiting on permits from the county or city for approval, however as they don’t think anyone else in Napa does this the approval process is taking a long time.

Per Mr. Cathiard: Lafite Rothschild tried to buy Shafer but had French arrogance and lost the bid to the Korean company who purchased Shafer.

They made this perfectly clear and repeated many times during our 3 hours with them, they don’t want to be another winery owner. They are all about family and not conglomerate ownership.

There is a very high investment to turn the property around. As I noted I visited in 2019, you can clearly see the transformation of the property and the design stamp of the Cathiard’s within the facilities.

The winery was empty when they bought it. There was no wine and no brand as Flora Springs kept the name and the wine they had previously made.

They are making some wine in a bigger cask; more interesting trying for less taste of wood. Foudre’s being used for some barrels.

They make the barrels themselves however as previously noted they are waiting on permitting for approval within their facility. To the Cathiard’s, it makes sense to send staves that are finished and make the barrels here and toast on site v finished barrels that are more costly to ship overseas.

Florence redid the lighting in the caves. She is very fond of art and likes the ambiance.

They noted that our visit and for others visiting before they officially launch in March 23’, this is a slow opening. They are still waiting for furniture from the port of LA to get delivered for the winery.

There will be 3 different bottles offered for their 2020 release.

Hora- Cabernet, Merlot and Malbec. BDX blend

Founding Brothers- A tribute to the people who started the winery here, 2 brothers. From England and Scotland. Remy brothers (sp?)

Main wine- Cathiard Vineyard - top of the hill 100% Cabernet

2020 Hora-good blend. Can drink now. $125 per bottle.

2020 Founding Brothers. $225 - Dense fruit. We all really enjoyed this bottling.

2020 Cathiard Vineyad. $395 - drunk over a 2 hour period. Average age of vines is 38 years. Much more serious wine. Vines are on slopes throughout the property.

My notes:
2020 Cathiard Vineyard- layered, homerun wine. Extremely smooth finish. This does not scream Napa to me. I detected no smoke taint, however I am not a professional wine reviewer. They do have some scores in and I believe one of them was a 96, which they are very excited about for their first vintage. They believe they can get this wine into the top 10 in Napa sooner than later.

They literally just determined pricing yesterday.

They will go through distributors in other states and will sell direct in CA. I may have quoted this wrong, FYI. They are still learning the nuances of selling wine in the states as it is different than BDX where they sell to negociants.

They will sell the wine worldwide but predict that most selling will take place in the USA.

Napa is very different than Bordeaux where 5 years is still too young to drink wine.

From Mrs. Cathiard - 2022 SHL. Banner vintage. High heat. Smaller berries.

100% organic. Have to wait 2 years for cerification.

9000 bottles made of Cathiard

15K bottles made of Founding Brothers

30K Bottles made of Hora (goddess of the seasons)

VIP tastings in the residence. This is their house where they live on site. We finished our tasting up here after tasting below in the tasting room. Mr Cathiard graciously poured all our wines.

They want to be as dry farmed as possible but not sure they can be fully dry farmed. They are still learning with nature. They can’t change too fast or could harm the vines that are used to being watered.

Daniel Cathiard at 80 years old is extremely fit. We walked the vineyards and property and he did so without breaking a sweat, as we climbed over 500 feet in elevation and back down again to the main residence. Our hike throughout the vineyard from the residence was over 40 minutes up some steep hills and back down and around. They made us work for our wine, but we were blessed with great hosts for the afternoon.



I did not feel there was any smoke taint detected in the 2020s, again I’m no professional reviewer and can only share my own opinion and notes.


They are not selling wine yet. They have no way to take payments as I noted and expect to open the winery some time in March. As they purchased the winery in 2020 and had no hold over wine from Flora Springs they are excited to finally sell some wine from the property and start the return on their investment.

I asked permission to post pictures and my review. I was a little concerned about scooping the professional wine critics who haven’t been out to visit the vineyard since the acquisition. This was an extremely unique tasting for us as a group asking questions and enjoying each other’s company for 3+hours. I have no doubt that the Cathiard’s will be successful with the winery as they have built their businesses over the years. They are very proud of the winery, the art, the furniture and of course the wines they are producing. We will see how they do as 2020 is going to be a tough vintage to sell due to smoke taint fear and coming onto the market with a $395 bottle as a “new” winery will be tough. I am not comfortable personally with the $395 bottle price point. If they had wine for sale we would have purchased some of the Founding Brothers bottling to take home for sure and maybe 1-2 of the Cathiard but we did not buy any wine.

Daniel and Florence Cathiard

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Nice report; thanks.

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Thanks for all this – very interesting. Their entire setup at SHL is so amazing that it’s going to be great fun to watch this play out in Napa.

One of the best overall wine experiences ever imo is just staying at their Source de Caudalie hotel/resort next door to SHL with the winery and vineyards right there, a great hotel, great spa, really good food, chill wine bar/snack room, wonderful grounds and garden, the ability to just wake up every morning and wander through the SHL vines, they have an incredible art/nature walk there as well . . . it’s a heavenly experience. The Cathiards really understand hospitality imo . . .

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Hey Jeff, what are those glasses? They look like Gabriel Glass with a longer stem-

I zoomed in on all of the pics I have with the wine glasses just now and can’t see a brand on the glass stamped anywhere.

I do remember seeing Gabriel glass at one of our stops, but don’t see any identifiers on the glasses for Cathiard.

I was fortunate to have a similar experience in November. I also did not detect any fire impact in the wines.

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They’re an extremely nice couple. I met them when my wife and I visited SHL in 1996 and we had dinner there. They then invited me to a Bordeaux tasting being held in Chicago (local for me) the next year. This was all before SHL “took off”.

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Not to be confused with Flora Springs Winery in Napa Valley…I take it this is in France?

Negative Buzz. They purchased Flora Springs in 2020 before Covid shut down the world. This is the old Flora Springs property. Last property on the west side of Zinfandel Lane.

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Hmmm…so the Komes family doesn’t own Flora Springs anymore?

Ok I see it here…

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They own the name Flora Springs and kept the Trilogy name but the winery estate is all Cathiard, hence them having an empty winery when they finally got here from France in the midst of Covid shutdowns and travel restrictions.

In fact the flora springs tasting room is still open driving up the 29.

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I got to visit Cathiard yesterday, the wines were incredibly refined, powdery and focused with incredible length. They know what they are doing and are not just trying to make another Napa Cabernet, the terroir is incredibly special there as well. However I do feel the price point is quite high. It will be interesting to see how the wines sell, but I feel they need to start at a lower price point then build up. Maybe should have been $99 - $149 and $199. What do you think @Jeff_M1 ?

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The pricing to me as a consumer is high for my liking. I would have purchased some bottles if they had them for sale just because the experience was like nothing we’ve ever had at any winery being hosted by the Cathiard’s. Without the experience if I just came across the wine at the price point I would pass every time.

They should only look so far as the Tesseron’s who bought Robin William’s Pym Rae vineyard and set initial pricing sky high for their first release. Now I’m receiving discounted Pym Rae offers from K&L in their insiders advantage emails.

The wine is very high quality and I whole heartedly agree they don’t scream Napa since that was in my notes when tasting. We thought the Founding Brothers Bordeaux blend was quite nice.

It will be interesting to see how their sales go. I think they’ll find success because they have a proven track record but they’ve got a lot of work to do to build a brand new customer base.

In regards to Napa pricing, this is a true funny story from my printer. But first let me set the scene:

He, a Texas millionaire, buys a small Napa estate for his trophy wife for her to rebrand and run. She’s hired an expensive French winemaker and contacts my printer to get “the best” labels to match - its gold foils, embossings, debossings, varnishes, screen prints - everything you can throw at a label to make it feel expensive and luxurious. Heavy bottles. You get the idea.

My printer quotes her a price for the label run and almost immediately gets an angry call from her: “Why is its so cheap? Don’t you understand that this is a premium product? Please re-quote with better materials. This is a $700 Cabernet initial release! It needs to be top of the line!”

$700 Napa Cab from a new estate? I might have spotted a flaw in the business model here… :woozy_face:

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Price is a head scratcher to me. It’s not like they bought Thorevilos, right? Wines from there weren’t commanding anything like that under the previous owners.

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I remember fondly the Komes family, especially Julie and Pat. I wish them well. I helped with the 1999 vintage there (shoveled out a fermentation tank, what fun!) . I do believe they have some of the best benchland dirt in the valley, there is great potential to make terrific wines there. They were somewhat of an anachronism, as they usually did not make wines in a high extracted style as many of their peers did in the high Parker era. I still have wines from the 90’s that have aged quite gracefully and were well balanced. Ironically, more Bordeaux in style that typical Napa. The infusion of cash in the winery should be helpful. Inspiring that Mr Cathaird is still planning new projects at 80! God bless the optimists among us.

As far as the pricing goes…I believe something Joe Bides said is appropriate from the State of the Union speech. “Good luck with that in your senior year!”

Whatever the hell that means???

Would love to know how that release went…

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Seems like Cathiard is struggling a bit.

Clues point to be Cathiard Hora for $50 on LB

Seen at Costco–their innaugural flagship about $100 below initial release price

And this is about $30 below release but still above the suspected last bottle price.

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I’d be curious to know how wineries decide on when they are sending inventory out to vendors like LB at a discount…I received the offer from Cathiard earlier this year. I passed that time but this time around I’d take a stab at the Hora for the LB price…

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