I don’t have a standard, just that any guesses aren’t portrayed as gospel.
In fact I appreciate that somebody (you) at least makes a list. I have used yours to in fact jog my memory of which wineries we could be talking about.
It’s much easier than trying to search through the whole thread.
I understand that and I think using a confidence guess would be additionally helpful. You may not and it’s your list.
It was just a suggestion because there’s no question that some guesses have way more chance of being correct than others.
Just thought that would help people upon reflection and especially new folks. As you know new people pop up all the time and we end up in the same loop.
btw…none of the Krupp brothers releases mentioned the consulting winemaker thing. I also think the reference to the “best syrah blocks” would be a better reference to the I-4 blocks. But annoyingly, the rising star are words directly on the profile of the winemaker for Krupp. It still vexes me. If Venge hadn’t come up later, I’d be totally on board with it has to be Krupp.
I would be very happy with either Venge or Krupp Syrah, but I just poke you on lot 16 because I fell like the strong consensus was Krupp, but you’ve developed this Venge theory yourself. I don’t believe Venge Syrah sells for $80 and we have Cam supposedly telling us that he bought 11 lots all from the same winery, which overwhelming points to Krupp. Plus Krupp should still have access to “the best blocks” using Fight Club lot 14 as an example.
Vexes me too, and probably all of us, but my gut says Krupp. Venge would be cool, too and totally possible!
My view is that Cam and the wineries have to walk a fine line with the descriptions. They have to provide enough info that we can determine the wine’s “pedigree”, without giving away the source with no doubts. Although these guesses have some uncertainty, I believe that the wineries saw that many of the earlier dN source guesses were correct and tightened their NDAs starting awhile ago.
I’m going to have to re-watch “Fight Club” so I can understand why it keeps coming up in this thread. Aren’t we breaking the first rule of Fight Club?
I dunno. I think people who want to drink only labeled wines aren’t buying and sharing their Cam X and de Negoce. I think there’s a lot of folks highly skeptical of this type of business model. And if they somehow stumble on this forum and see that a wine they like might have been bulked out, but there’s no guarantee of what you are getting, plus it’s a wildly different bottle…then I don’t think it’s an issue. Can’t remember who it was but there is obviously a fan of this wine for themselves to drink but was relating how they’d somehow be embarrassed if they brought bottles of Lot XX to a friends house. I think the market for these wines is in house wines and not wines to share because, for better or for worse, people care about perception.
@NormPB, you’re out! Turn in your Fight Club gear and pager, right now!
Just kidding, I had to. Who likes the pager reference?
Thats the magic of an analogy. Rule #1, we cannot talk about the Founding Member exclusive wines here, so we talk about Fight Club instead, but in reference only.
My feelings exactly. I didn’t suggest this. I have shared plenty of my de Negoce and to very high praise that resulted in Cam getting new customers, but generally I’ve helped a bit with selection of what to order.
I’m lucky enough to have unlimited space in my passive cellar and always need cellar defenders. If these Napa Cabs need 8-10 years to mature, I have no problem letting them sit. My Daughter has burned through the case of rose that arrived, it was very refreshing.
I’d say that depends on whose house you are going to, but embarrassed one should never be.
I’ve taken or opened them for people who like wine but not enough to really figure out what producers they enjoy with great success. People that may never venture past the supermarket or above a set monetary threshold. A few have also signed up.
Probably wouldn’t take one to an enthusiasts house where we may actually discuss the wines details in any sort of depth. It’s just hard to dig much deeper in conversation on nda wine in my experience.
That’s just my experience,
No right or wrong way to enjoy wine.
We have to admit that there is a “snob factor” among many high end wine drinkers. I expect that if a well-heeled wine club member finds out that the wine he spends $150 on is also being sold as a $25 future to Cam, in a bottle with a generic label, and has to be aged for at least 6 - 9 months, he’s not going to be angry or even that annoyed. He is paying the $150 for the label (to impress friends), likely being able to taste it upon release, not having to buy 6 or 12 minimum, and not having to age it.
Yep, and that’s the general concept with NDA’s here . . . If I were a club member of a winery that bulked out a considerable amount of wine to a third party and said third party bottled it ‘as is’ or close to it but sold it at a fraction of the cost of what I bought, I’d be a littler perturbed . . .
Not sure, I might view it more as an opportunity to drink a wine I really enjoy at a one time discounted rate, though truly no guarantee it’s that exact wine. I’m not sure it impacts the industry all that much. In fact, without this type of outlet, isn’t the industry is in way more trouble? I’m not sure since I’m not an insider, but I imagine Cam’s joke about Chateau le Cachefleux is also true for these wineries. Some years they might simply have more juice than their sales can handle.
My last few dN’s were good but underwhelming. Clearly I’m still a buyer of this value proposition especially because I have a pretty similar hit rate with my “labelled” wines. With the tens of thousands of posts on all the Cam WB pages over the last five years there haven’t been nearly enough side by side tasting notes with the purported original wines. I know most of us have bought at least one such pairing to test eventually (I am waiting on a bit more bottle age on mine), but we need to get those notes front and center. It might need to be it’s own thread. If I had any such comparison personally I’d start it.
One thing I absolutely love is to do a blind tasting of a dN wine with a “wine snob.” They like it and then you reveal what it is and that you paid $20 or whatever.
Imo Problem is finding someone (here) to pay full blown retail on most of the guess list.
For myself, Maybe Peter Michael, but even that’s tough for a second wine, or Ramey chard.
When the guesses start coming out some producers I’ve never even heard of. Eco Tereno? (Certainly doesn’t mean they aren’t good)
I’ve definitely picked up a couple. I have a Geodesy 2018 to compare to lot 200. I’m pretty sure I bought a couple others, but don’t remember which. I have many mismatched vintages of the same supposed wine, but I’m not sure what that would tell us. At least it might shed some light stylistically.
