This chunky concern never previously existed for me. Then I got a Zalto uni and a GGG. I pulled out a Riedel burg glass (veritas, maybe?) and was appalled at its weight and chunkiness. What a curse and talk about a first world problem. I found the Riedel Vinum Bordeaux a wonderful, elegant glass for years on end. Not anymore, I suppose.
Comparison is the nemesis of contentment.
That’s why you can’t go back to normal glasses…
It isn’t they perform any better in general…for some they perform better…some wines it might emphasize the alcohol too much…
But when you’re faced w/ using a normal glass that you used to think was great…you look at it, feel it…and think, wtf, this thing feels super chunky and I’m not enjoying this at all…
That said…after a minute or two or three…you get over that and you move on and forget about it…
Hi Lou,
PM me if you’re still sorting this out! Cheers, Emily
(and if my signature doesn’t say so, I am TOTALLY in the biz and completely biased…)
I’ve had three of my six Gabriel-Glas Stand Art glasses break (that I bought in January at Berserker Day). Two broke in the dishwasher; bottom shelf, plenty of space around them, and delicate cycle and one broke at the stem when I was polishing it. Maybe the gold is sturdier–but won’t be buying these again. Bit frustrated that the packaging says dishwasher safe–when they obviously aren’t. I emailed the company and they gave me a discount code–but no warranty or replacements.
By contrast I have Zalto Uni, Zalto BDX and Riedel Vinum BDX. We got a new dishwasher and nanny and wife broke both Zalto, two vinum, but not my 3G. Its the most dainty but proven to be the most resilient.
But Josh is not talking about the Gabriel Gold. He’s talking about the machined one.
I previously have used GGG and Zalto glasses, but now have predominantly switched over to using Sophienwald glasses after using them at Compline and a few other tasting rooms in Napa. I think its pretty good value.
I’ve had very good luck with both the GGG and the Zaltos, can’t comment on the machine GG version as I’ve never tried it.
after getting a set of the gabriel golds, i can say i prefer them to the zalto universal. i drank from the standard gabriel at a wine bar and was not impressed, the balance was off and the proportion was a little different from the gold version. overall it felt clunky. however, the golds are even more balanced compared to zaltos and quite possibly a touch thinner and lighter. zalto seems a bit top heavy by comparison. not to mention they can be had for about $30 a glass so half the price of zalto. i am sold.
for a cheap glass for use with lots of company i think the nachtmann vivendi pinot glass is excellent. usually you can find them on closeout; i paid about $5 per glass delivered. they are made by riedel and feature the same tulip shape which i find agreeable for practically everything.
Please do share where you are getting GGG for $30.
i believe someone on commerce corner is offering them at $200 delivered on a 6 pack. i bought mine from a home goods store on closeout though.
I am happy with my Riedel Ouvertures, and they are by far my most-used glass at home.
12 stems for $80 here (Bloomingdale’s): https://www.google.com/shopping/product/1?lsf=seller:8020,store:10873247730234489082&prds=pid:8897336695223293580,oid:4218859810509769819&q=riedel+ouverture&hl=en&ei=qSLvW_XPEYmk0wLY0bCQBw&lsft=gclid:EAIaIQobChMI4YmU1drZ3gIVTR-tBh2_ZQr6EAQYBCABEgJvPfD_BwE
Same 12 for $80 also available at Macy’s.
Do I think they’re “the best”? I dunno. And I also don’t care. I just know I like them, use them, and feel they’re fairly priced. ![[cheers.gif]](/uploads/db3686/original/2X/0/0ff9bfcdb0964982cd3240b6159868fbdf215b1a.gif "cheers"){kind=small}
The zalto and GGG can survive a dishwasher machine wash?
They can, just make sure they are secure and not likely to move about and bang on anything.
About 7 out of 10 times…
Just as a data point, I’ve washed my GGGs on the top rack of my dishwasher dozens of times with no breakage so far. Most impressive was when a friend knocked one of his GGGs from a high table onto a tile floor and it didn’t break. Unfortunately for him, it shattered when he knocked it off the table a second time a couple of minutes later, but that it survived even one fall was pretty amazing.
On the breakage front, a different friend dealt with the propensity for Riedel Vinum Burgundy glasses to break off leaving just a 1/2” or so of the stem at the base of the bowl by making wooden stems for them.
I’ve washed my zalto and ggg in the dishwasher a bunch too without issues.
I have Zalto and GGG, but when I’m drinking something simple (which is most of the time) with dinner, I reach for these same Riedels. Also, we have about a dozen for big groups.
Regarding the dishwasher, we have a Bosch that has fold-down holder thing for the stems. As long as nothing touches the glass, no breaks, and I’ve dishwashed all my glasses for a few years now.
There really is nothing like GGG and I used to think Zalto was the bomb.
Yep, never had a dishwasher breakage here.