Best Burg GC QPR?

WINE TALK
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My thoughts exactly

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But but how many have the luxury of drinking their wine with some grand cru vegetables.

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Dom des Lambrays
Negociants wines can be cheaper such as
Bouchard Le Corton
Potel
etc

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I think Howard is correct. In any given vineyard, quality in the bottle is the consequence of a particular producer’s work with his or her vines and with the grapes that come from those same vines.

With their greater area, the largest Grand Crus – Corton, Clos de Vougeot, Echezeaux, and Charmes-Chambertin – offer the largest supply of bottles and, therefore, the potential for lower prices. However, price is only half of the QPR, and in Burgundy, it is difficult to make conclusions about quality without accounting for the producer. Also, each of these largest Grand Crus has many producers, so quality varies greatly, within each vineyard, based on producer.

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Think Jadot is probably one of the best at making an exceptional Grand Cru Burgundy (across various vineyards), yet is generally priced well below their peers at equal to or better quality!

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I agree that negociants are often excellent sources of value Grand Crus. I like the following, and they can be found for under $100 (sometimes under $80):

Faiveley Latricieres-Chambertin
Faiveley Mazis-Chambertin
Jadot Chapelle-Chambertin
Faiveley Echezeaux
Bouchard Le Corton

In the same price-range, I like these growers’ bottlings:

Clos des Lambrays
Hudelot-Noellat Clos de Vougeot
Pousse d’Or Corton Clos du Roi

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+1

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Whilst they have their premox problems, I reckon Bonneau du Martray’s Corton-Charlemagne is value for money Grand Cru.

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Personally, I would avoid seeking bargain GC. I think you get a better deal and often better wines by seeking the better PC’s (unfortunately many are more expensive than the lesser GC’s. There aren’t that many secrets in burgundy anymore)

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I agree with Howard and Nowell that grand cru QPR “regardless of producer” is a fool’s errand. Nowell lists the “big 4” in terms of surface area, and these 4 account for nearly 60% of grand cru rouge hectares. In large measure, the lower prices found in these four crus are because there are so many uninspiring bottles from producers not focused on quality. And this leads to great QPR opportunities for Burg buyers who figure out who is making the best wines from these large crus.

John’s point about the very best 1er crus is also 100% correct IMO. QPR is tough in Les Amoureuses because virtually all are $200+, but one can find a lot of Q for a reasonable P in Clos Saint Jacques and Malconsorts and Les Saint Georges and Rugiens-Bas and Caillerets and Clos des Ducs. But you still have to consider the producer in these “quasi-grand crus” as well.

Jorge, simplifying things is appealing in concept, but thinking in terms like “regardless of producer” is exactly the wrong way to simplify in Burgundy. And isn’t this true in all the great wine regions? I think it probably is, but I’m certain it is in Burgundy.

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Jadot Corton Pougets

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That’s a winner.

Bocquenet Echezeaux is not so bad either. Pricing has unfortunately crept up though.

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Lew, you make a very valid point.

What I was hoping to get was a better idea, generally speaking, of which vineyard(s) provided the better “Grand Cru” examples for the more reasonable prices. I wasn’t aiming for unanimity…I’m fully aware that Burgundy is NOT the place to look for homogeneity.

From this thread, I can now see that Corton is regarded as the better bet when it comes to getting a GC for the least amount of $$$. Like I mentioned in the OP, the Echezeaux bottlings I’ve had in the past from a handful of producers have all been very good to excellent and the fact that I keep seeing offers of Echezeaux for well under $100 prompted the thread.

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Interesting thread… Yes yes - but the key discussion should be whether this vegetable garden should even be considered or deleted!!

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Very interesting discussion and I love it… [cheers.gif]

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How do you do that on say Echezeaux. I don’ really understand. Isn’t the QPR for Mongeard-Mugneret and that for DRC and Leroy quite a bit different. You have me confused.

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Agreed.

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I think this is true, but it’s true, as others have mentioned, because it’s one of the bigger vineyards and, I think, because Corton takes forever to come around.

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Was shooting, I guess in retrospect, for the majority of examples available. Leroy & DRC won’t be at the top of most people’s QPR lists regardless no?

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Excluding the factor of : (1) your best may not be my best; (2) variation in price from different area where the wines were released and (3) producers, prudocuers and producers…my vote for the question ( Best Burg GC QPR ? ) logically speaking of course, is : the GCs around Corton Hill - for both red and white.

It is the only red GC in CdBeaune and it is the largest of all the GCs in CdOr. [cheers.gif]