AI and Wine

BBC recently had an article about the use of AI in the wine industry.

So far the discussion seems in favor of larger producers (lots of quotes from Kara Maraden, director of viticulture at Foley Family Farms).

“I can go online and see what irrigations are needed down in Santa Barbara, 300 miles away,” says Mr Maraden, who is based in Napa, north west of San Francisco.

While judging the water requirements of the vines would previously have been done by human judgement and calculation, Foley now uses sensors made by Tule Technologies, a California-based irrigation company.

The sensors, which look like mini weather stations, are placed across the vineyards. They measure moisture levels, temperatures, wind speeds, and other environmental variables.

All this data is then fed into Tule’s AI software system, which has been trained to calculate how much moisture will evaporate from both the soil and the vines under different weather conditions. The AI then determines how much irrigation the vines need and when, and informs the vineyard managers via an app notification.

“We’re always boots on the ground,” adds Ms Maraden. “But the data helps us make informed decisions based on science, as opposed to just feelings. Feelings aren’t bad, but we like to use data.”

A bit about how AI can ‘improve’ winemaking. Color me a bit skeptical on this one, and there’s some additional commentary in the article on why, at least for now, relying on AI in this area would be a bad idea.

California-based tech firm Tastry makes an AI-powered app that helps winemakers make wine that a large number of consumers will like. The software does this by analysing a wine’s chemical makeup, and quickly comparing it to a database of the taste preferences of 248 million US wine drinkers.

Tastry tests for everything from a wine’s sugar levels, to acidity and tannins. The latter are bitter and astringent compounds that come from grape skins, seeds and stems.

The idea is that Tastry can help winemakers better blend final wines from numerous base wines, varying the percentage of each until a popular taste profile is achieved.

Alexandre Remy, managing partner and winemaker at Atlas Wine Company, a California-based wine brand, describes Tastry as his “GPS system”.

“If I want to create my red blend, I choose from 10 different vineyards,” says Mr Remy. "This is where AI really shines. It helps me determine my goal, whether I want to appeal to a younger crowd, or perhaps a crowd that prefers a competitor’s wine.

“I can input my parameters into the system, and it will offer blend suggestions based on that.”

Thanks for sharing this - nothing really ‘new’ here - just using technology to dial things in a bit better.

As far as Tastry goes, it’s an interesting concept for sure - kind of like Enologix for consumers. That said, if it was that easy, each of their winery customers would be selling millions of cases, and I don’t think that’s the case . . .

Cheers

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Me too.

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Let me know when I should just ask Chat-GPT to do all my tastings for me.

As a life-long software developer, what that article describes as “AI” is just plain old logic preprogrammed into the software. There’s no artificial intelligence about it. But if you say “AI”, some people wet themselves with delight.

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AI as the destination, not a tool to reach a destination…

I’m no software developer, but that’s exactly what I was thinking. This doesn’t take cutting edge technology:

California-based tech firm Tastry makes an AI-powered app that helps winemakers make wine that a large number of consumers will like. The software does this by analysing a wine’s chemical makeup, and quickly comparing it to a database of the taste preferences of 248 million US wine drinkers.

Tastry tests for everything from a wine’s sugar levels, to acidity and tannins. The latter are bitter and astringent compounds that come from grape skins, seeds and stems.

Tastry sounded familiar. Then I googled it and realized Cameron Hughes (formerly of DN Wines) partnered with them: de Négoce Partners with Tastry to OfferPersonalized Wine Discovery Service

Wait, Cameron is no longer with de Negoce?

yeah, well, that is the word on the street aka the massive DN thread

Automated weather stations that estimate ET using the Penman Monteith equation, which is then used to schedule irrigation, have been around for decades. This is a lot of hand-waving.

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Ah, I haven’t waded in there in several thousand posts!

My first thought upon reading the entire article was, “So where is the AI part?”

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I opened this thread expecting some LLM crap. This old-school AI hype is almost quaint now.

I foresee mass market wines converging to Bag-in-Box style mass market wines.
…oh wait, that’s already happening, no AI needed!

TBH, this I 100% believe. About 10 years ago I worked for a commodity trader which tracked, at a daily level, growth, rainfall, etc, at the farm level. This is not really any different than that piece of work. Real-time growth yield forecasts by region. It wouldnt be too far to start to do the chemical analysis + some basic internvetion.

And of course we’ll get chstGPT to write the reviews.

There are some indications that some kind of technology is already generating them.

And frankly, some of the ChatGPT-written reviews are probably better than some of the “professional” reviews I have read.

Can AI be used to do blind tasting? Ie use a (sufficiently accurate) chemical analysis of what’s in the glass to identify a wine.

I suppose a Turing type qualification might add ‘at least as reliably as an expert human’.