A couple of days in Bordeaux (am I turning into Alfert and Julian?)

I was on a European cruise for a couple of weeks and we stopped for a couple of days near Bordeaux. So, I arranged for Henri Challeau to pick my wife and I up and take us to a number of wineries over the two days.

Channeling our inner Robert and Julilan, our first stop was at Chateau D’Issan. What a beautiful property. Julian’s recent visit notes had much better pictures than I took, so go to his visit summary to see how beautiful the property is. Over recent times, I have had and really enjoyed 2005 and 2020 D’Issan and so was excited to visit there. We tasted a 2017 D’Issan while there (we tasted second and/or third wines here and in a number of other places but I am going to skip those and just discuss the main vines). I thought this was an excellent wine for the vintage with good fruit. But, I did not think the wine was nearly as good as the 2020 I had recently as the finish seemed a bit clipped in comparison to that wine. So, while I have been buying more D’Issan recently and will continue to do so, I probably won’t be buying any 2017.

Our second visit was at Chateau Ferriere. While there, we had a 2014 Ferriere, a 2009 Durfort Vivens and a 2015 Haug Bages Liberal. Ferriere and HBL are owned by Claire Villars-Lurton while Durfort Vivens is owned by her husband, Gonzague Lurton. We were told that the husband and wife manage the properties they own separately and use different techniques in making their wines. We were at Ferriere, so that is what we saw.

Fascinating place to visit. They are aging some wine in oak, but also some wine in clay amphoras and some in concrete diamonds to reduce the overall oak exposure of the wines. Their fermentation tanks were also modern temperature controlled concrete fermentation tanks rather than in stainless steel vats.

As for the wines, I thought the 2014 Ferriere was a really nice medium bodied wine on its way to maturity. It is not there yet as for me there was some tannin still in the wine that hopefully will resolve itself with more age. Liked it well enough that I bought some.

The Haut Bages Liberal was really impressive. Possibly because it was a 2015, it seemed not to have any raw edges to it but just seemed soft and luscious, but not at all overdone. However, since that had some 2005 of this at a decent price, I bought that instead (I love 2005s and want wines closer to maturity).

The 2009 Durfort Vivens was really a very well made wine that was very impressive, but it had a taste of the roasted quality of so many wines in the vintage, which I found off-putting. I bought some 2016 and 2019.

The next morning, we were at Leoville Poyferre. Very different property than the two wineries from the day before as it was full of new oak in a beautiful setting.

At Leoville Poyferre, we had several wines, but the only Leoville Poyferre was a 2015. While this wine was soft (as one would expect from a 2015), I rather enjoyed it (much more than I did when having it at a LP vertical a few years ago). Nice richness and just really tasty. From this and the Haut Bages Liberal, I am wondering if 2015s are turning out better than I would have expected. Seems from limited experience the wines are becoming very nice.

Of interest, while driving to Leoville Poyferre, I learned that Leoville las Cases is changing its name to just Las Cases.

Our next visit was at Lafon Roche in St. Estephe. This property was sold in recent years to one of the owners of Chateau D’Issan. New owners for Lafon-Rochet - Liv-ex

Lafon Rochet is also taking steps to reduce new oak including putting some of the wine in old Fuders.

We had a 2023 barrel sample and then four wines - 2021, 2018, 2016 and 2002.

The barrel sample was very interesting. Clearly the wine was very good, but I cannot say too much more about it as I don’t have that much experience with Bordeaux barrel samples (I have a lot more experience with Burgundy barrel samples).

Of the four finished wines, I thought the 2016 was by far the best and bought some. Of course, when I taste Bordeauxs from a number of recent vintages, I often find the 2016 to be the best wine. I was not that wild about the 2018 - seemed rich but harsh to me - but my wife loved and it was her favorite wine. My guess is that a lot of wine lovers who are not wine geeks will love this wine. Clearly, the 2002 was a lesser vintage, but the wine was very nice.

Now, for the 2021. I know that 2021s have been panned and this is the first one I have had, but I really liked it. Seemed like an old fashioned Bordeaux (reminded me of how 1979s first tasted when I first came to DC - to the extent I can actually remember that far back). I know that a lot of you are now thinking I have lost my mind or that I am just a Burg guy who is a fish out of water in Bordeaux. But, 1979s provided a lot of pleasure over a lot of years and I bet this one will as well. It is only $35 locally at MacArthur Beverages and I think this will be a steal at this price, IF what you want is a well balanced medium weight wine with good acidity and NO GOBs of anything.

For lunch the second day, we stopped at Maison D’Estoureal, a beautiful inn and restaurant near Cos D’Estournal and owned by them. The duck we had there was really good (oh to be eating real French food). We had a glass of Cos Labory 2019 (owned by the owners of Cos D’Estournel) and it was very nice. Rich and well balanced. Then, we had a 2010 Tokaj-Hétszölö 5 puttanos for dessert (also owned by the owners of Cos). Tokaj-Hétszölö, a Hungarian legend (estournel.com) I have not had a Tokaj in years and loved this one. Really nice acidity that provided a great balance with the richness and sweetness of the wine.

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I think I am getting more optimistic about Bordeaux than a lot of people here seem to be. A number of wineries seem to be pulling back from the excesses in grape growing and winemaking of a decade ago, and so, while there will continue to be Rolland wines, etc., there also seem to be a number of wineries returning to making wine. Actually, I don’t think they are returning to anything but are rather using new farming techniques to deal with climate change and new methods of making wine and aging it to be more gentle with the wine. Even Troplong Mondot is going from being one of the latest pickers of grapes to one of the earliest. And, according to Henri, a bunch of right bank producers are converting some their vines from Merlot to Cab Franc to reduce over-ripeness.

Bordeaux is always going to be a mixed bag (apparently, Penfold’s is buying property in Bordeaux, which I don’t think will be good for lovers of traditional wines). But, my sense is that a lot of positive things seem to be happening in Bordeaux for lovers of more traditional wines.

But, probably not in 2024, which is not looking to be a great vintage. Lots of mildew. Between vines without grapes and ultimately a lot of grapes being sorted out, this surely will be a small vintage. How good the wines that are made will be - don’t know. But apparently, this has been a very wet vintage.

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If you have to channel someone, you had better make it Robert - he still has a full head of hair!

It all sounds great - I’m relieved you enjoyed Issan - recommendations are always subjective.

You make interesting points about the two 2015s - I think there is a tendency to lump 2015 with 2018, as another 2009-style vintage. 2018 may turn out that way, but I don’t think 2015 will. 2015 will probably always be a “jealous” vintage since it is followed by 2016, but I like the balance and mouthfeel of the ones I have tried so far and haven’t detected any overripe flavours. I too was pleasantly surprised by the LP 2015 and it made me rethink somewhat what I felt about Poyferré in general, especially since it’s a Rolland estate.

Lafon Rochet sounds like it was a good visit too - it’s always been one of those off-the-radar estates for me which is underrated and therefore excellent value. 2021 sounds very tempting! Apart from 2013, Bordeaux hasn’t had a true stinker of a vintage in over 30 years and I have no doubt that 2021 merely suffers in comparison to 20 and 22. Like all supposedly “off” vintages, it will surely be rehabilitated when people actually drink the wines.

Bordeaux is on a learning curve, as always. The techniques are changing to suit the new weather trends, but also the new taste trends. In agriculture, it’s a lot more difficult to adapt than in other domains.

One visit you didn’t mention was La Tour de By - what was it like?

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I did not mention La Tour de By because I have still not really come to grips with what I thought of it. Clearly, they were an interesting place to visit, making wines in a more old fashioned way without all the technology of the other places but still in a traditional manner. We tried a 2019 La Tour de By that had good richness but that I think needs a few years before I can really understand whether I like it or not. At this point it seemed a bit rough to me, but my guess is that in a few years, the roughness will go away and the beautiful fruit in the wine will shine through. But, without having much experience with the estate, I don’t know for sure. I will find out as I bought the 2019, but for now I have to say that this is a very traditionally made wine and usually that is a good thing.

Interestingly, Henri said to me that he thinks 2015 had weather conditions very similar to those in 2009, but that having had 2009 made the wineries more experienced into how they handle wines in these conditions and that a lot of wineries used that knowledge to make better wines in 2015. I bought a number of 2015s when they were young (MacArthurs had some great buys on half bottles and I am a sucker for half bottles) and I am looking forward to trying more wines from the vintage.

As for 2021s, I now have had exactly one wine from the vintage and so am not an expert on the vintage, but I must say that the one wine intrigued me. Now, do I buy some of that one wine and see if I know what I am talking about or do I try to go a bit upscale and try some wines like Brane Cantenac or Durfort Vivens, each of which are selling at excellent prices. Of course, I could do things the “Berserker Way” and buy both. But, then I want to buy more 2016s.

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Great posts, Howard, thanks for sharing! Interesting your comments on 2015, I avoided it like the plague, but always willing to circle back. Need to go try the Lafon Rochet now!

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Thank you for posting your notes, Howard! Looks like a great trip.

I am also a big fan of D’Issan and Lafon Rochet. I have always wanted to visit D’Issan, if for nothing else to see the moat that surrounds the buildings. As for Lafon Rochet, we bought some of the 2016 and 2019. If you like the 2016 Lafon Rochet, I think you will probably also enjoy the 2019. Appreciate the insight on the Durfort Vivens. I have not tasted a lot of their wines, but it sounds like I should give them a try.

If you don’t mind me asking, which cruise line did you take for your trip?

Cheers!

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The 2009 was the first wine I have had from Durfort Vivens. I look forward to trying more.

2019 is a difficult vintage for me for both Bordeaux and Burgundy as they came out during Covid and I did not have an opportunity to taste any. I really feel behind on that vintage. [I have had a number of 2019 German wines and love the vintage there, but that doesn’t help a lot.

We were on a cruise on Celebrity Silhouette sailing out of Amsterdam. We had several neat stops including Lisbon, where, among other things, there was a Taylor Fladgate tasting room a couple of blocks from the ship. We also got to go to Seville and Cordoba, which were really neat as I love history and seeing older sites.

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Great trip report there. Howard!

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Thanks. I find Bordeaux very confusing these days. When I first started buying wines in around 1980 or so, Bordeaux was the easiest wine to buy. But now, between climate change, Rolland and certain wine writers, etc., etc., etc., I find it very difficult. Add to this the fact that I am really too old to be buying newer Bordeaux and that I think 2016 seems like a terrific vintage (causing very conflicting emotions), I am very confused.

I am very interested in what I think of as the Alfert/Julian approach to Bordeaux, which seems to be to give up thinking of it as an investment vehicle or looking for bottles that will provide a life altering experience, and think of it as wine, a food product designed to provide pleasure.

Think of my OP as my latest opportunity to learn about Bordeaux again and that I am interested in thoughts as to whether people with more traditional palates think I am on the right track.

Henri is a wealth of information. It was great to discuss the region, wines and all the details he shared for a few days earlier this year.

Great trip report!

I absolutely agree. I think I would have paid to talk to him and have him drive us around Bordeaux even if he did not set up any winery visits for us - but don’t tell him that. :grinning: I learned so much from him during our couple of days together, as well as when he took us around 10 years ago.

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Henri is the best and would highly recommend him. Love D’Issan wines, but sadly have never been there. Certainly on my list for next time we visit.

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Well, in addition to the quality of the wines, here are a couple of incentives to go there.

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Very much enjoyed the chronicles of your trip, Howard. But equally pleased to hear you enjoyed the 2016 Lafon-Rochet, a wine I like very much but don’t hear many people talk about. I’ve even shared it with friends who, upon tasting it, have said, “Ok, I get why you love Bordeaux now.”

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I am really starting to think that 2016 is an underrated vintage in Bordeaux. Sure, everyone thinks it is a great vintage, but then as in so many regions today almost all vintages are called vintages of the century. My sense is that 2016 towers over all over other Bordeaux vintages from say 2006-2018 (I have not had enough wines from 2019 forward to be able to comment rationally) the way 1982 has towered over other vintages of its time.

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I totally concur.

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2016 is a vintage that I cannot backfill enough, whether it is a classified growth like D’Issan or a nice little wine like the Lilian Ladouys for $20 or so.

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I certainly can’t disagree with you on that count; it’s my favorite vintage from the '06-'18 period. I keep finding myself adding 2016s to the cellar, at all price points.

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This rumour was doing the rounds last year. When I then visited Léoville-Las-Cases I sought clarification on it and they were clear they were not changing the name, which remains Léoville-Las-Cases. They did intend, however, to use just “Las Cases” rather than the full name on promotional material, on vineyard signs, etc, which might lead some to conclude that the name had been formally changed. A strange decision (assuming it is true - I always travel with a large bag of salt when in Bordeaux) but probably not the strangest I have heard in the region over the years!

What are the low abv 2016s?

(I totally get I can research this myself just wondering if others know and have thoughts on them.)