2013 Dom Perignon

[MChang]

@Tom_Reddick

@MChang

10 is like 04, meh

I like the 2010 for its acidity and strong floral notes. I had figured it would be a nice thing to have while waiting for the 08 to mature. 09, like 06, is a bit sweet for me- and this was before the 12 came out which I have found very forward all 3 times I have tried it. And so for someone buying now, I would say 12 over 10 since the price is about the same.

On 04 you and I can agree! I love the vintage in general, and the Dom was generally strong- but it lacked excitement for me. Maybe the P2 version will show well now that the wine has aged- but at the asking price for P2 these days I am not even going to try it out.

I much prefer 06 or 09 to 10 and 04, I think 09 is actually one of the most underrated vintages; the krug 165 is probably the hidden gem of the 02-14 lineup, only 164 is as good imo.

[ybarselah]

@Sarah_Kirschbaum

@William_Kelley

what you do is you have lots of big tanks in which you make pre-blends, then you take the same proportion of each pre-blend to the blending tank for tirage - not especially difficult to do when you are dealing with 100% tank fermented wines

This process was always my understanding, but it makes me wonder how we then get such marked variation on occasion from lot to lot. Would you attribute it to storage and/or transport issues post release? Or different timing within the process itself? Or is it simply that uniformity is aspirational rather than achievable?

do you find this variation with DP or just in general with champagne? my personal experience with DP is very consistent - given the large production.

[Sarah_Kirschbaum]

@ybarselah

@Sarah_Kirschbaum

@William_Kelley

what you do is you have lots of big tanks in which you make pre-blends, then you take the same proportion of each pre-blend to the blending tank for tirage - not especially difficult to do when you are dealing with 100% tank fermented wines

This process was always my understanding, but it makes me wonder how we then get such marked variation on occasion from lot to lot. Would you attribute it to storage and/or transport issues post release? Or different timing within the process itself? Or is it simply that uniformity is aspirational rather than achievable?

do you find this variation with DP or just in general with champagne? my personal experience with DP is very consistent - given the large production.

I don’t find it, I’ve read about it. I don’t buy in large enough quantities to compare across lots.

[ybarselah]

@Sarah_Kirschbaum

@ybarselah

@Sarah_Kirschbaum

@William_Kelley

what you do is you have lots of big tanks in which you make pre-blends, then you take the same proportion of each pre-blend to the blending tank for tirage - not especially difficult to do when you are dealing with 100% tank fermented wines

This process was always my understanding, but it makes me wonder how we then get such marked variation on occasion from lot to lot. Would you attribute it to storage and/or transport issues post release? Or different timing within the process itself? Or is it simply that uniformity is aspirational rather than achievable?

do you find this variation with DP or just in general with champagne? my personal experience with DP is very consistent - given the large production.

I don’t find it, I’ve read about it. I don’t buy in large enough quantities to compare across lots.

ahh. i see. curious to what extent others here experience it.

[Sarah_Kirschbaum]

Used to hear about it from Ray with some regularity, though not just with Dom.

[Greg_K]

@Sarah_Kirschbaum

Used to hear about it from Ray with some regularity, though not just with Dom.

I’ve definitely had consistency issues with 06 Comtes.

[ky1em1ttskus]

There are literally two posters, whose palates are pretty widely trusted around here, in this thread detailing a specific and consistent difference between bottles that they found.

[ToddFrench]

Sounds like batch code LANIF is the one to have, with LANID being hollow in the midpalate

[Philip_G]

Talk about First World problem: variation in my vintage champagnes across lot releases!

[William_Kelley]

I have found DP to generally be very consistent too.

[William_Kelley]

Fine, but that can be related to time after disgorgement for example, doesn’t necessarily imply funny business.

[K_John_Joseph]

@Robert.A.Jr

DARNIT, I forgot to add the oyster shell note in my write-up. Texted that to Kane about midway through.

It’s true, he did.

I’m going to drink one of these tonight with my bae for valentines day. You know, a glass here and there around schlepping kids to sports practices and preparing for morning work appointment…

[ToddFrench]

@K_John_Joseph

You know, a glass here and there around schlepping kids to sports practices and preparing for morning work appointment…

Proof romance is alive and well…

[K_John_Joseph]

@ToddFrench

@K_John_Joseph

You know, a glass here and there around schlepping kids to sports practices and preparing for morning work appointment…

Proof romance is alive and well…

My love for champagne is well known

[Ian_Dorin]

This. I’ve had this experience with 96 Goisses. The April disgorgement was incredible on release, and hasn’t aged all that well, while the October one which was brutal on release is still going strong today.

[K_John_Joseph]

2013 Dom Perignon LANID batch. Lemon curd, pastry dough, sweet yellow apple and bartlett pear, with a chalky/oyster shell note and a sandalwood note on the tail. The fruit runs sweet, and this is nice, though not as complex or dense as other recent vintages of Dom. 94.

There are some discussions about the LANIF batch release being superior to the LANID batch release, but I cannot speak to that. What I can say is that my independent notes on this wine were very, very similar to those of @Robert.A.Jr and Jon Lawrence. Could be power of suggestion.

Regardless, I would rather have 08, 12 than this 2013.

posted here and in the champagne thread

[K_John_Joseph]

@Jon_Lawrence

However, this past Thursday I was at Moët’s office for cognac event and they were pouring the '13. I tasted it from 3 different bottles and they were all delicious showing oyster shell, citrus, toast and chalk. I noticed it was from a different lot than what I had purchased.

Interestingly, this note is very similar to my note on the LANID batch, though with a sandalwood/strong aromatic white flower type of note.

[Jon_Lawrence]

Now I have to open another LANID bottle this weekend.

[ybarselah]

@Jon_Lawrence

Now I have to open another LANID bottle this weekend.

this is clearly LVMH corporate psyops to move product. don’t fall for it.

[Jon_Lawrence]

They are really good at marketing.