Your top five German wine producers

[John_Glas]

1. JJ Prum
2. Fritz Haag
3. Loosen
4. St. Urbans Hof
5. Selbach-Oster

[John_Glas]

2010 Selbach-Oster Zeltinger Sonnenuhr Riesling Auslese ** (Germany, Mosel Saar Ruwer)
Anyone ever try this wine even in another vintage? $34.99 locally and seems to have good notes on Tracker.

[David_Bu3ker]

2010 Selbach-Oster Zeltinger Sonnenuhr Riesling Auslese ** (Germany, Mosel Saar Ruwer)
Anyone ever try this wine even in another vintage? $34.99 locally and seems to have good notes on Tracker.

Selbach-Oster “homer” here. Everything they make from the Zeltinger Sonnenuhr is excellent. Have no fear.

[Jayson_Cohen]

Same as my prior top 5 but moved around a bit due to 2019 purchases and my lack of Donnhoff purchases.

Willi Schaefer
Hofgut Falkenstein
JJ Prum
Donnhoff
von Schubert (which I expect to pass Donnhoff soon)

I own wines from 25 producers, none Egon or Keller, although I enjoy the wines of both tremendously. 6 of the 25 are the Golden Generation introduced to us by Keller and Source Material.

Most critically and sadly, I am down to 8 bottles from HGS Muller-Catoir.

[John_Glas]

Selbach-Oster “homer” here. Everything they make from the Zeltinger Sonnenuhr is excellent. Have no fear.

Thanks. Price seemed right and hardly anyone buys German Rieslings in MN.

[asnitow]

My top five are:

JJ Prum
Donnhoff
Willi Schaefer
Shafer Frohlich
Emrich Schonleber

Has anyone found anyone else whose top five were an exact match for their own top 5 (not nec same order, but same five producers at least)?

[Marty_L]

Well somebody had to show up and add some variety to this thread.

My top 2 are Enderle & Moll and Ziereisen.

(They’re followed by Willi Schaefer, Donnhoff, and Selbach Oster. Falkenstein would be in there too but I just consume those bottles too quickly to be able to amass any quantity in the cellar).

[Jim_Hanlon]

For someone like me who’s just getting into riesling, this is a fascinating thread! What are your top online retailers you source from? It’s hard for me to find anything decent in mid Michigan. I apologize if this is thread drift.

If Vinopolis in Portland ships to Michigan, they’re a very good source for Riesling.

[A_Songeur]

I own wines from 25 producers, none Egon or Keller, although I enjoy the wines of both tremendously. 6 of the 25 are the Golden Generation introduced to us by Keller and Source Material.

I don’t buy very expensive German wines but Keller makes some cheap and excellent wines such as Keller Riesling van der Fels, Feuervogel sylvaner, Scheurebe … they are not the “glorious top wines” costing an arm and a leg… but they are decent QPRs.

Obviously, the producers mentioned above also make cracking wines and many are easily available.

Having noted that 2019 from many top producers did not sell out while production was really down, I don’t believe prices are likely to explode except maybe for a few speculative wines… probably down to lack of traction of sweet wines… yet I love them and enjoyed a Himmelreich Kabinett 2017 tonight

[Robert_Dentice]

I own wines from 25 producers, none Egon or Keller, although I enjoy the wines of both tremendously. 6 of the 25 are the Golden Generation introduced to us by Keller and Source Material.

I don’t buy very expensive German wines but Keller makes some cheap and excellent wines such as Keller Riesling van der Fels, Feuervogel sylvaner, Scheurebe … they are not the “glorious top wines” costing an arm and a leg… but they are decent QPRs.

Obviously, the producers mentioned above also make cracking wines and many are easily available.

Having noted that 2019 from many top producers did not sell out while production was really down, I don’t believe prices are likely to explode except maybe for a few speculative wines… probably down to lack of traction of sweet wines… yet I love them and enjoyed a Himmelreich Kabinett 2017 tonight

I beg to differ…Keller Feuervogel and Scheurebe are definitely glorious : )

[Robert_Dentice]

Well somebody had to show up and add some variety to this thread.

My top 2 are Enderle & Moll and Ziereisen.

(They’re followed by Willi Schaefer, Donnhoff, and Selbach Oster. Falkenstein would be in there too but I just consume those bottles too quickly to be able to amass any quantity in the cellar).

That is a fascinating top 2. Of those what percentage is orange, white, red and rose?

[Jayson_Cohen]

I own wines from 25 producers, none Egon or Keller, although I enjoy the wines of both tremendously. 6 of the 25 are the Golden Generation introduced to us by Keller and Source Material.

I don’t buy very expensive German wines but Keller makes some cheap and excellent wines such as Keller Riesling van der Fels, Feuervogel sylvaner, Scheurebe … they are not the “glorious top wines” costing an arm and a leg… but they are decent QPRs.

Obviously, the producers mentioned above also make cracking wines and many are easily available.

Having noted that 2019 from many top producers did not sell out while production was really down, I don’t believe prices are likely to explode except maybe for a few speculative wines… probably down to lack of traction of sweet wines… yet I love them and enjoyed a Himmelreich Kabinett 2017 tonight

I have been looking for Keller Scheurebe Kabinett for over a year in the US, since the Alt-Rieslingfeier dinner in NYC. No luck. I think Robert and the Riesling Kenner guys buy it all.

[Robert_Dentice]

I own wines from 25 producers, none Egon or Keller, although I enjoy the wines of both tremendously. 6 of the 25 are the Golden Generation introduced to us by Keller and Source Material.

I don’t buy very expensive German wines but Keller makes some cheap and excellent wines such as Keller Riesling van der Fels, Feuervogel sylvaner, Scheurebe … they are not the “glorious top wines” costing an arm and a leg… but they are decent QPRs.

Obviously, the producers mentioned above also make cracking wines and many are easily available.

Having noted that 2019 from many top producers did not sell out while production was really down, I don’t believe prices are likely to explode except maybe for a few speculative wines… probably down to lack of traction of sweet wines… yet I love them and enjoyed a Himmelreich Kabinett 2017 tonight

I have been looking for Keller Scheurebe Kabinett for over a year in the US, since the Alt-Rieslingfeier dinner in NYC. No luck. I think Robert and the Riesling Kenner guys buy it all.

I would think you are right. However not because we are hogs because only a few cases come into the U.S. PM your address and I will send you a bottle.

[Greg_K]

I don’t buy very expensive German wines but Keller makes some cheap and excellent wines such as Keller Riesling van der Fels, Feuervogel sylvaner, Scheurebe … they are not the “glorious top wines” costing an arm and a leg… but they are decent QPRs.

Obviously, the producers mentioned above also make cracking wines and many are easily available.

Having noted that 2019 from many top producers did not sell out while production was really down, I don’t believe prices are likely to explode except maybe for a few speculative wines… probably down to lack of traction of sweet wines… yet I love them and enjoyed a Himmelreich Kabinett 2017 tonight

I have been looking for Keller Scheurebe Kabinett for over a year in the US, since the Alt-Rieslingfeier dinner in NYC. No luck. I think Robert and the Riesling Kenner guys buy it all.

I would think you are right. However not because we are hogs because only a few cases come into the U.S. PM your address and I will send you a bottle.

Ha! I distinctly remember this conversation last month Robert!

[G_Curd]

Mine is very similar to Mark Golodetz currently.

Prum



Max Ferd Richter
Willi Schaefer
Falkenstein

Everything else.

[G_Curd]

I don’t buy very expensive German wines but Keller makes some cheap and excellent wines such as Keller Riesling van der Fels, Feuervogel sylvaner, Scheurebe … they are not the “glorious top wines” costing an arm and a leg… but they are decent QPRs.

Obviously, the producers mentioned above also make cracking wines and many are easily available.

Having noted that 2019 from many top producers did not sell out while production was really down, I don’t believe prices are likely to explode except maybe for a few speculative wines… probably down to lack of traction of sweet wines… yet I love them and enjoyed a Himmelreich Kabinett 2017 tonight

I have been looking for Keller Scheurebe Kabinett for over a year in the US, since the Alt-Rieslingfeier dinner in NYC. No luck. I think Robert and the Riesling Kenner guys buy it all.

I would think you are right. However not because we are hogs because only a few cases come into the U.S. PM your address and I will send you a bottle.

One of the many reasons I love these forums. Very kind of you. Every person I have communicated with on here has been very positive and very kind. Bravo Robert.

[Brian_S_t_o_t_t_e_r]

Mine is very similar to Mark Golodetz currently.

Prum



Max Ferd Richter
Willi Schaefer
Falkenstein

Everything else.

I’m kind of surprised you’re not 100% Prum

[James_Wright]

having been a pro for much of my career –
i need to pass over Falkenstein in the Saar because i used to sell them;
Gut Hermannsberg in the Nahe, same reason
and Lingenfelder is a great friend of mine…

so without any doubt

Koehler-Ruprecht –
Fritz Haag – many thanks to the late Wilhelm
Wirsching –
Dönnhoff –
Karthäuserhof –

editing and unediting, nothing changed from initial comment

[David_Bu3ker]

Nice job on the Franken James.

[Tom_G_l_a_s_g_o_w]

1. Keller (more than twice #2)
2. Emrich-Schonleber
3. Schafer-Frolich
4. Ratzenberger (bet no one else has that in Top 5!)
5. Andreas Laible (I’d be surprised on that one as well)

Next tier includes Battenfeld-Spanier, JJ Prum, Julian Haart, Weiser-Kuntsler, Willi Schaefer, Wittman - not in order. Then there’s another 20 or so producers with more than 10 bottles. 51 producers in total.

Haven’t heard of Ratzenberger. Do they get imported to the U.S. or do you special order? I assume based on your preferences they do dry wines?

I am betting that Sara gets Ratzenberger through Moore Bros.

Yes, through Moore Brothers. They are way off the beaten track for most, though far from all, US Riesling lovers. Some of our dear WB friends in Germany and other parts of Europe know them a lot better. They are oddball in a lot of ways - holding back for late releases, for example - and they are more inconsistent than I’d like, but the highs are very high and they have some excellent holdings. They’ve been doing a lot with the dry wines since well before the GGs came to be, but they do some sweets as well and some very good sekt. The pure drinking pleasure is what Ratz is about for me. Not to say objective quality isn’t there as well, it just never gets in the way of the deliciousness factor.

Your top 5 was no surprise, my top 5 is probably similar. Moore Bros don’t ship unfortunately so I’m on an 8 year drought.