Estimating when?
Is that the wine Antonio was bashing at the modern?
I’m not sure
If so …. He is dead wrong.
Well, that’s a complicated question, because I really can’t say whether this will ever have a shut-down phase. I think (based on one tasting and my amateur status) that they will not, because the bottle I had simply kept getting better without ever shutting down.
So with that in mind I believe these will ride an ascending rainbow arc of enjoyment all the way to their apogee at least 15 years away.
You can certainly enjoy this now — it’s delicious and fascinating. It will be arguably better in 15 years, but also undeniably very different. If you like young Savennieres, by all means try one. I keep my Savennieres for a long time not really because I likely old ones more (although I do like them old) but also because there is no other way to have that kind of experience than by doing it yourself.
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Meaning if you want aged Savennieres you have to age them yourself?
I did have a very nice 1990 Joly Serrant summer of 2023.
And I am aging some 2010 and 2011 of the same cuvée as well
Yes, that’s what I meant. I have almost never seen aged Savennieres or Jasnieres on a wine list, and backfilling for the home cellar has been near futile for me. So I have bought current vintages and buried them for at least a decade. Starting on my 2013s this year.
A 1990 Serrant in 2023 sounds just fine, though requiring even more patience than I have. I have had 1986, 1989 and 1990 Jasnieres in the last couple of years that have often been fabulous. Some have cracked up, but when they are intact, they are unforgettable.
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Since you mention it, K&L has a number of back vintages of a Savennieres I’m not familiar with, Domaine FL (Fournier Longchamps). I’ve ordered a couple bottles to try but haven’t taken delivery yet.
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Interesting! Never had one of theirs.
awesome participation, everyone—thank you all so very much. I still am on track to do the tabulation over the weekend.
We had one of these (‘12 FL Roche Aux Moines) at a big chenin tasting earlier this year, and it was much more on the acid driven, floral side of Savennieres.
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Krug NV #169
Carl Loewen 1896, 2016
Huet Haut Lieu Perlant, 1919
Huet Haut Lieu Moelleux, 1947 (WOTY)
Huet Le Mont Fin de Pressé, 1989
Rousseau PC Les Cazetiers, 2015
Royal Tokaji Essencia 2008
Yquem 2001
Clos de Tart 2001
Memorably, all bar two of these were drunk at the same birthday dinner 
. The three Huets together drunk as one outstanding, probably never to be repeated, flight.
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Glad to hear about this as I own a brace!
Amazing wine. Wine of my life, not just of the year.
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Where can I try that flight… 
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Here’s my list. As @Mike_Evans said- brings back lots of good memories as most (all?) of these were shared with Mike and other Berserkers. Hard to rank them, some are good wines, some best in their class, but all were memorable in some way.
2002 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne
2017 Bereche Ambonnay
2001 Joh Jos Prum Wehlener Sonnenhur Riesling Spatlese (personal fave)
2010 Azienda Agricola Valentini Trebbiano d’Abruzzo
2013 Emidio Pepe Trebbiano d’Abruzzo (magnum)
2009 Emidio Pepe Trebbiano Abruzzo (in Pepe’s dining room)
2001 Emidio Pepe Montepulciano d’ Abruzo (in Pepe’s dining room)
2002 Emidio Pepe Montepulciano d’ Abruzzo (with the Canadian invasion in august)
2018 L’Anglore Tavel - thanks, Mike!
2014 Clos Roche Blanche Pineau d’Aunis
2005 Patricia Green Notorious- mike strikes again!
2015 Domaine Taupenot-Merme Gevrey-Chambertin 1er Cru Bel-Air
2010 Domaine Bertheau Bonnes Mares
2013 Clos Rougeard Saumur-Champigny
2013 Jamet Côte Rôtie
2013 Juge Cornas
(re)discovery of the year is Mike putting L’Anglore back on my radar. Went out and bought a bunch. As it goes…
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1947 Huet Lieu Moelleux was one of my favorite wines. My wife’s birth year,. Would love to purchase or trade for one more
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Thank you 
Thank you !
The 2021 is a very special Evangelho (IMHO even beyond the 18).
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This caught my eyes, must have been quite a treat. Love the grape when well made and not a shabby winery on top of that 
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That Sauzet 2020 Puligny Champ Canet is a tremendous beauty!
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