No biggie IMO . Ullage disclosed. Nobody is being forced to purchase. Either buy it or move along.
While it’s always caveat emptor, I agree that winebid should have refused that sale. Fill level at new is unreasonable.
Someone Coravin’d some $50 wine and auctioned it?! Doesn’t seem like it’s worth the trouble. Especially new. Just return it to retailer/winery and likely get a credit.
Not uncommon for the fill level to be low on one of the very last few bottles on the line. Most wineries I know will take the last case (or two) off the line for this reason.
Wonder if they saw the post and decided to remove it.
Without a doubt.
Perhaps odd to offer a bottle with that kind of ullage at such a young age, but it was fully disclosed and photographed.
The only serious issue I see here is someone posting slanderous accusations without any proof.
And the OP has now removed said slanderous comment. I will remember to QPR in future.
This board attracts some real winners these days.
Slanderous comment? I’ll recap for public record: I said I believed this bottle to be coravin’ed, William responded with an alternative possibility I hadn’t considered, so I removed my statement. How scandalous.
I’m glad Winebid removed this listing, and I wish more people advocated for more/better information from auction houses rather than whatever poor practices you’re trying to defend.
I saw nothing slanderous in the comments the OP made. He was suggesting how such a young bottle could have such a low fill. Given that WineBid pulled the lot, it seems that the OP was correct.
I really don’t understand the testiness towards the comment. This board is filled with opinions.
I like when a retailer strives for perfection, but I appreciate it more when they respond appropriately to a mistake. Ive seen WineBid make a few mistakes, and always made them right.
Rewrite history all you want, but you stated definitively that the bottle had obviously been coravined and then proceeded to act scandalized at it being listed.
The bottle was listed with a full photo and accurate description of its fill level- all relevant information was there. Who are you to say that is not good enough? And who are you to imply I am trying to defend poor practices. I was one of the first people around when the modern concept of wine cellar appraisal evolved and I have worked very hard in that field for a very long time- just as winebid has done their bit in auction.
And in two posts you perfectly fine calling all that into question. Wow- just wow.
I know why you posted this and why the tone- you wanted to get a reaction, and you did. And now you are going to lie about what you said and pat yourself on the back for thinking you forced Winebid to do something to your liking.
Someone needs a glass of wine…
I’m with the OP. 100%. There is no good reason for Winebid to give a spot to that bottle. Giving it a spot looks like shameless profiteering. Negligence is the only explanation that doesn’t look really bad.
This board sure attracts some overactions. Some are more prone to it than others.
I disagree. WineBid does a good job of letting the market decide what something is worth. Although I personally wouldn’t bid on it, that wine would probably languish on the site and the price would fall until someone decided to take a flyer. As there are no notes of seepage, the buyer might even have some recourse if it proved otherwise.
I don’t know anything about the wine or the situation, and by the time I opened the thread a bunch of posts had been edited or deleted.
But let me ask one question: is this a bottle, in this condition, that no human could possibly want? If the answer is yes–that no one could possibly want it even for what they perceived as a considerable discount–then I suppose offering it was wrong.
But if it is possible that someone might want to buy it, and the person who consigned it wanted to sell it, so long as the condition is made absolutely plain, what is the sin? I must be missing something
Well, if we are going there with the reductionist take…would you buy wine from a retailer that would put literally anything wine bottle shaped product up for sale in any condition? With wine, you have to trust that the seller has done at least some amount of due diligence in terms of condition when consigning or otherwise reselling bottles. Without some explanation as to the condition of the the particular product, a bottle from 2022 that only looks 75-80% full is problematic at best. There are plenty of reasons for them to decline such a bottle. Precious few to bother posting it.
People, with opinions, on a board dedicated to wine, many of us customers of the company. If we aren’t able to comment than I suppose the business is above critique? I am equally confused by your position as you are outraged by the OP.