Just wanted pop in here (no pun intended) and mention some of the NV champagnes that are $50 or less have been really enjoyable with a year+ of age on them. I felt like I had made a huge mistake buying 6 bottles of a few different producers and not liking the flavors at first sip.
A few of them have been M. Burgnon, Aubry, J.M. Labruyere, Salmon. Honestly, some of them we didn’t even want to finish the bottle so to me it’s a huge improvement.
I think almost all champagnes, vintage and otherwise, are better years after purchase with more age. Mousse is less aggressive and flavors have melded.
I’m starting to see that preference/logic for sure.
I’ve started a wine night on Sundays with customers that have shown great interest in wine and I’ve mostly been bringing bottles from my stock (which has helped A LOT with the inventory situation). It’s been also great to be able to split the purchase of grand cru bottles among a number of people if you’re only looking to try a wine.
Now, I just need to convince them we should do another champagne night and do Cristal Trying 4 different levels of Philipponnat was fun, but showed me that current vintage clos de goisses is physically painful. The acidity sits in your jaws like knives.
LWS recommendation, Marguet '17 Oger grand cru. Pretty cool no-dosage blanc de blanc. Severe. The nose isn’t showing much at first except something vaguely yeasty that reminds me more of fresh blood (!). In the mouth this has a very chalky texture that wraps around the tongue completely. I don’t know much about Marguet, and there are so many different bottlings, but I like…starts to open up nicely with some air.
Congratulations on the win!
I sold my last '96 LGD seven or eight years ago because I didn’t like the trajectory it was taking. Fortunately, I believe the release price was less than $90.
Warren
Charles,
I can’t comment on “Rosé vintages”, but '08, '12 were very good pinot vintages, better than chardonnay. 2013 was reversed, better for chardonnay than pinot (although the pinot was still good). Both chardonnay and pinot were decent in '14. @Brad_Baker would know for sure.
Cheers,
Warren
Had a few nice bottles on vacation, including being able to check in on some I have stashed away and didn’t want to open yet from that stash:
2017 Roses de Jeanne / Cédric Bouchard Champagne Blanc de Noirs La Presle - France, Champagne (9/25/2022)
second bottle of this. Pretty accessible immediately. As always, fruit purity, perfectly ripe, complexity of the fruit flavors as it rolls over the tongue. If there was more of this available I would drink it every day, as it is, I’ll save all my bottles and drink at bars and restaurants when I can.
2017 Roland Champion Champagne Grand Cru Special Club - France, Champagne, Champagne Grand Cru (9/24/2022)
BdB disgorged Feb. 2022 after 3.5 years on lees. 3 g/l dosage. Slight caramel apple notes, pear, some persimmon. Leans a little to the oxidative side but retains a freshness. It walks the tightrope between rich and acidic well, only wish there was a bit more strength in the fruit.
2015 Nominé Renard Champagne Special Club - France, Champagne (9/26/2022)
rich, nutty, a little smoky. Some sweet apple and pear, the sweetness lingers a bit on the finish, making me question the Brit designation. A well enough build champagne, but gets beat up after the ringers the last few nights.
2017 Roses de Jeanne / Cédric Bouchard Pinot Blanc Champagne Blanc de Blancs La Bolorée - France, Champagne (9/26/2022)
this one needs some time to open up. There’s a bit of a spiciness up front on pop and pour, with some lovey ripe orchard fruit underneath. 30 minutes later and the fruit is up front and beautiful, showing the signature of Bouchard and Pinot Blanc seamlessly. This is going to be a very great iteration of Bolorée with a few years in the cellar.
2019 Emmanuel Brochet Champagne Rosé de Saignée - France, Champagne (9/27/2022)
very dark color. Loads of berry on the nose. It has intense depth of flavor, cranberry, vinbar, blood orange, some spice, strawberry finish. This is an absolutely delicious rose, reminds me a lot of Collin’s rose, but slightly lighter. Really good
2018 Adrien Renoir Champagne Grand Cru Les 2 Terroirs - France, Champagne, Champagne Grand Cru (9/29/2022) Dinner at Noble Rot Soho (Noble Rot, Soho, London): 2018 vintage, disgorged without dosage March 2021. 100% Pinot noir with 5% still wine addition. Relatively dark color, but not as much as the Brochet the other evening. All berry right off the bat. Velvety, it’s a gorgeous young rose champagne, full of promise and a great intro to the producer. Very excited to have some of these on the way.
2017 Roses de Jeanne / Cédric Bouchard Champagne Millésimé Blanc de Noirs Les Ursules - France, Champagne (10/1/2022)
another 2017 success from Bouchard, and similar to the others still fairly open post-release. The fruit is just the slightest bit darker in test than the last few releases I remember trying, but it’s still ripe and pure and perfectly balanced. Such a nice long finish, really happy to have some of these in magnum as they should have an extremely long life ahead.
2008 and 2012 are both tremendous years for Pinot Noir, Pinot Meunier, Roses, and Red Wines. The red skinned grapes are the stars of these vintages. There is some good Pinot Noir and Meunier in 2013 and 2014, but these grapes are not standouts in these years and Chardonnay did better. As a broad generalization, 2008 and 2012 are much better Pinot and Rose vintages.
Also, going back to Charles post and statement of great vintages for Champagne are associated with Chardonnay - it is actually the opposite. Chardonnay can normally still do pretty well in the most challenging years like 2010, 2011, 2017, 2021 or going back further - 2007, 1997. In 2001, there are even some decent Chardonnays relatively speaking. The great vintages are when Pinot Noir and Pinot Meunier are singing. Chardonnay is almost always going to be at least pretty decent in years where the Pinots are strong. The opposite is not always going to be true. Great Champagne vintages need all the grapes to be excelling. The recent great Pinot Vintages that have been released are 2012, 2008, and 2002 - these are probably the three most heralded Champagne vintages of the 2000s so far. 2009 was also very good for Pinot Noir. 2004 wasn’t bad for Pinot Noir, but really excelled for Chardonnay. The Pinots were also very good in the trio of 2018-2020 especially 2019.
NV Marc Hébrart Champagne Premier Cru Brut Rosé - France, Champagne, Champagne Premier Cru (10/04/2021)
55% chardonnay, 38.5% pinot noir, 6.5% Mareuil rouge (i.e. pinot noir from Mareuil vinified as red wine) Dosage: "Brut"; disgorged 6 May 2020
Definitely a creamy edge to the nose; on first opening the palate comes across almost off-dry, but within a few minutes it develops a nice bite to go along with the very refreshing red fruit core (yes, perhaps slightly unripe strawberries to go with that cream). The finish is quite palate-cleansing. There's not a lot of complexity here, but it's definitely a crowd pleaser.
Overall, this is a rather nice fizz as an aperitif or with light food. And not bad QPR at ~US$36. (89 points)
I have far, far less experience than most posters here, and my champagne tends to be grower bottles and rarely priced (here in Hong Kong) above ~US$60. Having said that, the best rosé champagne I have had was from 2012. Here are my TNs for bottles drunk in 2020 and 2022:
On first opening this is very gassy, and not very approachable. But after 30 minutes air and warming up a bit this is really a very nice champagne, and, as far as I can recall, the first 100% pinot meunier rosé/Œil de Perdrix that I have drunk.
As the earlier notes describe, the core of this wine is basically blood orange with chalky minerality, but there is much complexity in the palate with blackberries and a touch of mint; each sip demands attention. We have drunk this bottle on its own as an aperitif, but I'm sure that with canapés several other subtleties would be highlighted.
Although at ~US$55 this is a bit above my budget for normal everyday champers I definitely see it as excellent QPR for special events (or bigger budgets!). (92 points)
My impression is that this has evolved nicely since my previous TN 18 months ago. It's now immediately approachable, but still with that core of blood orange, still perhaps a hint of blackberry, a little bit of a sweeter fruit like peach, and a chalky minerality that lingers on the finish.
This is now a really wonderful champagne. Grab some if you can find any bottles still. At the ~US$55 that I paid these were stunning QPR also.
(94 points)
It’s been close to a month without champagne while walking the Camino and I think I’ve been going through fizz withdrawals. I’m drinking this right now in Leon and it’s hitting the spot.
This is very giving right away with nuanced and balanced tones of Baked apples, bosc pears, cherry pits, strawberries, vanilla beans, toast, roast nuts, chamomile, biscuits, yellow flowers, kumquat, nougat, and baking spices. The Medium bodied feel is poised with great length along with crisp, high acidity. This is very elegant and refined. Just lovely with a long finish.