What's the Best top end non-DRC red Burgundy?

[MChang]

Out of curiosity has anyone had these champy RSV from late 90 early 00? They seem extremely cheap.

[Howard_Cooper]

Friends,

Yesterday I had a wonderful RICHEBOURG 2011 by Thibault Liger Belair. Not a great vintage but Thibault really nailed it (his LES SAINT GEORGES was also superb). Since it is a lot cheaper than the here often named classic wines it is strongly adviced. My experience with TiBAULT and his wines are very possitive. The guy is really sympathetic. Not a necessity but it helps. A know a famous domaine in VOUGEOT where no matter how long you have been a client you’re always received as a newcomer. No names mentioned.

SINCERELY JOHAN

I am always interested in visiting a couple of domaines that are new to me when I visit Burgundy. Are you saying that I would be able to get an appointment to visit there if I write to him requesting a visit (obviously, this likely won’t be happening for a while given current world realities but I hope to go back to Burgundy multiple times in the future).

I visited there a couple years ago. Thibault told me that he gets hundreds of requests daily. I’m not sure if he was exaggerating or not but chances of getting in on your own by just writing him are probably slim.

That is what I would have thought and why I was surprised by the prior post.

[Gaudissabois_Johan]

I must admit that I have been a client “chez THIBAULT” since 2002. But I am not that sure Thibault does not take on any new clients. Of course 2015 and 2016 are not the vintages to try becoming a new customer. 2017 you never can tell. Many viticulteurs say they do not take on new clients. Till you try. Even DRC may take you on after several calls (at least that’s what Vicomte Liger Belair told me).
Other possible domaines to visit : ANNE GROS, JJ CONFURON, HUDELOT-BAILLET (very good CRAS, BORNIQUEs and CHARMES and BONNES MAREs at a very reasonable price) (Confuron’s RSV may not be the most famous but in my view it is always reliable)…

SINCERELY JOHAN

[A_Songeur]

Who knows? Out of my head

• Grivot Richebourg Echezeaux
• Hudelot N Richebourg and RSV
• Musigny Vogue, Mugnier (he has over 1 hectare) Roumier…
• Mugneret Gibourg Ruchottes, Clos Vougeot, Echezeaux
• Roumier Bonnes Mares et Amoureuses
• A few other Amoureuses?
• Ponsot Clos St Denis and de la Roche, Dujac
• Rousseau upper wines, Bachelet Charmes, Fourrier Griottes,…

I am sure I forget plenty and, note I am not familiar with DRC so some above may not make the grade.
And in a good vintage, other wines may emerge (I managed to get a bottle of the 5 producers CSJ in 2010…one of which is my only ever Rousseau…) and put a fight.

[A_Songeur]

Faiveley Musigny is the rarest, and possible most underrated of the “top end non DRC” reds.

Fantastic quality, very rare (half the production of Roumier’s Musigny) and, compared to many others, could really still be considered to be under priced…

Actually, they now have more Musigny land as they purchased Dufouleur plot a few years ago. I have no idea what impact thistripling of their holding affects the quality though… as Dufouleur Musigny reputation was so so (due to producer, vines, …??? no idea)

[dbailey]

Surprised nobody has mentioned Drouhin’s musigny. Absolutely on a par with de vogue’s or mugnier’s IMHO.

[Subu_Ramachandran]

Dan I agree, Drouhin’s Musigny and Clos de Beze should be on the list. Sadly, I don’t have many data points to compare it to Mugnier’s.

Antoine, don’t overlook Hudelot Noellat’s Clos Vougeot. From the top portion, it often matches and at times surpases Mugneret Gibourg’s version, like in 2016.

[Jayson_Cohen]

From the top portion, it often matches and at times surpases Mugneret Gibourg’s version, like in 2016.

I’ve only tried them each once, at the Paulee last year, but I personally don’t agree. And I did like the H-N CV.

[Subu_Ramachandran]

From the top portion, it often matches and at times surpases Mugneret Gibourg’s version, like in 2016.

I’ve only tried them each once, at the Paulee last year, but I personally don’t agree. And I did like the H-N CV.

Well perhaps I have a cheap taste, find pleasure at less than half the price. Lucky me!

These are opinions anyway, lets agree to disagree!

[Jayson_Cohen]

From the top portion, it often matches and at times surpases Mugneret Gibourg’s version, like in 2016.

I’ve only tried them each once, at the Paulee last year, but I personally don’t agree. And I did like the H-N CV.

Well perhaps I have a cheap taste, find pleasure at less than half the price. Lucky me!

These are opinions anyway, lets agree to disagree!

Yep.