not so sure of that. I think Erwan’s wines at Faiveley are far better and still ageworthy. Silky and less tannic but great depth and balance. I’m sure there are many other examples, Roy, Mortet, lots of positive guard changing. Unfortunately I’ve been priced and aged out and not drinking much young wine.
Alan, I agree with you. I think a good many people in the new generation are doing better than the prior generation.
Marie-Christine and Marie-Andrée Mugneret probably have made better wines than their father Georges Mugneret did.
Other places where the newer generation have improved the wines include Arlaud, Bernard Moreau, and Heitz-Lochardet. Then there are numerous situations where the wineries already made great wine and the new generation has kept that going, like the work done by Jean-Claude Ramonet, for example. And, I am not even including wineries where the newer generation has a great reputation but where I have not really tasted the wines, like Alix Millot at Domaine Jean-Marc Millot.
A comment that “[e]verywhere the pattern seems to be that the kids make sloppier jammier sluttier [and likely vastly less ageworthy] wines than did their parents” is just plain wrong and does not at all describe what is going on in Burgundy today. It more describes a poster who likes to make bold statements that are almost always wrong.
I think there are countless examples where the kids wines are at least as good as the parents. Of those I buy, it’s certainly true for Hudelot Baillet and Confuron Gindre.
Howard’s example of the Mugneret sisters was over 25 years ago.
Didn’t Georges Mugneret die around 1988, which makes it over 30 years ago.
not so sure of that. I think Erwan’s wines at Faiveley are far better and still ageworthy. Silky and less tannic but great depth and balance. I’m sure there are many other examples, Roy, Mortet, lots of positive guard changing. Unfortunately I’ve been priced and aged out and not drinking much young wine.
Alan, I agree with you. I think a good many people in the new generation are doing better than the prior generation.
Marie-Christine and Marie-Andrée Mugneret probably have made better wines than their father Georges Mugneret did.
Other places where the newer generation have improved the wines include Arlaud, Bernard Moreau, and Heitz-Lochardet. Then there are numerous situations where the wineries already made great wine and the new generation has kept that going, like the work done by Jean-Claude Ramonet, for example. And, I am not even including wineries where the newer generation has a great reputation but where I have not really tasted the wines, like Alix Millot at Domaine Jean-Marc Millot.
A comment that “[e]verywhere the pattern seems to be that the kids make sloppier jammier sluttier [and likely vastly less ageworthy] wines than did their parents” is just plain wrong and does not at all describe what is going on in Burgundy today. It more describes a poster who likes to make bold statements that are almost always wrong.
I think there are countless examples where the kids wines are at least as good as the parents. Of those I buy, it’s certainly true for Hudelot Baillet and Confuron Gindre.
Howard’s example of the Mugneret sisters was over 25 years ago.
they took over w the help of neighbors in the 88 vintage; the sisters’ kids are now involved. So it’s been well over 30 years since Dr. Mugneret passed.
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I do understand that this makes your comment correct, but I think the point is Burgundy wasn’t made as well in the 1960s and 1970s (Georges Mugneret is not an example of this as he made good wine). The generations since then have done a wonderful job of revitalizing the soil in Burgundy through using much fewer chemicals. And, while there were a relative handful of excellent to great producers in those days, the number of really good Burgundy producers seems to increase each year. Yes, I really wish one or more of them would start making wine in the style of Jacky Truchot, but the wines so many make are really good.