Verdict on Corvain and similar devices

And I want to know why you keep misspelling Coravin. :joy:

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I’ve been properly spelling Corvain, but apparently that’s the wrong word. No worries; now I don’t want either one of them

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Most Neal post ever

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I suspect @Robert.A.Jr knowingly presents us with a target rich environment with lots of diverse options for insults!

long may it continue

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I went with a four bottle system. It’s basically a manifold and then inserts that replace the cork in the bottle, rather than the pin system of a single use Coravin. I then purchased an argon tank. My wife built and stained a nice wood rack to hold the bottles. I’ve been using it for more than 18 months and haven’t used even a quarter of the argon from the original tank. Have yet to see a bottle turn. Sturdy red wines keep for weeks, though admittedly, I’ve only tested that duration once or twice.

I still use the single version occasionally for whites, as I keep the 4-bottle system at room temperature. But it’s nice to avoid all the capsule waste.

I wonder if you or anyone would be willing to bear with my ignorance and walk me through this. What’s the Coravin black cartridge and why use acetone before unscrewing? To clean?

I’ve refrained from using Coravin and Repour so far because of the single/limited use components, and the cost. I use the 375 ml bottle method (described above by Todd). It works pretty well but the thought of being able to leave the un-drunk portion in its bottle does appeal.

I assumed he used the word ā€œvainā€ in Corovain because he was thinking of me as he was typing!

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Have to agree with Eric here. I’m a frequent Coravin user but HATE sediment. I think I purchased the Coravin the first few months it was out and have used for many years. Tried everything to avoid sedment with no real success; have to be very careful which pinot’s and nebbiolo’s I use with it. Bdx/Cab with heavier sediment I’m less restrictive but still only young wines.

I think pretty much any thread with ā€œbrokenā€ in the subject line: glassware, bottles, bones, bikes, cars, household appliances, etc.

No problem at all! When i say the black capsule, im referring to the 'proprietary ’ black tips on top of the Coravin Argon cartridges (see below). That’s the piece needed to make Argon cartridges work with the device. Once you soak it in acetone overnight you can twist it off (not easy but possible) and then screw it onto a generic threaded Argon cartridge and use it in the Coravin. Saves quite a bit of $$$, especially over an extended period of time.

Hope that helps buy let me know if you have more questions :cheers:

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Big man needs a mani-pedi…

I don’t know anyone else who follows the same practice, but I freeze my leftovers and most of the time it works great, even on older (up to 30 years old) wines. Younger wines usually show better on ā€œday 2ā€, after a freeze-thaw cycle.

It was a Parker book that first turned me on to the practice.

It’s funny you and I agree on so much relative to wine, but this is where I diverge. I have tried it and it just never seems right to me.

Must be a bad picture/ angle. My paws are pristine! :cheers:

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It’s nothing to crow about

Demonstrated issue.

2019 Guillaume Gilles Les R de Rieux.

Young wine. I would expect very little sediment.

Given how I was chastised for my description of ā€œinverting the bottleā€ I was OH SO CAREFUL to barely tilt the bottle. Gently poured one glass.

So what is this sandy shit all over my glass? We call that sediment. And it is gross. I feel it. When I pop a cork and pour wine, I promise you, I can pour 99% of a bottle with none of this…

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That is helpful. Ta!

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Interesting! That definitely does not look great. For some reason i almost never have that issue and I use my Coravin a LOT. Was this the first pour? I have seen this towards the last 1/3 of a coravin’d bottle but very very rarely the first pours.

First glass. Pumped argon gently. Inverted as little as possible.

This is my 90% experience with Rhone wines at about 10 years. I was quite surprised at 5 years.

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I was an enthusiastic early adopter. Haven’t used my Coravin in years.

I open mostly mature wines. Most have sediment. Coravin is worse than useless for these bottles. There is no way to consistently and reliably use Coravin without stirring up sediment some of the time.

Since most bottles get consumed in 2-3 days around here, I find Repour gets the job done. Even on bottles that have been decanted off their sediment and put back in a rinsed bottle. It will usually keep a bottle from oxidizing out to a week or 10 days max in my experience. [Edit: It gets iffy beyond 5 days.]

I suppose Coravin would be ok for young wines with no sediment, but:
a) sediment is sometimes unexpectedly present, and
b) Repour works just fine for these bottles too.

I don’t trust Coravin to maintain a seal beyond a few weeks to a month, so it’s also a no-go for taking an early peek at a wine to see how it’s maturing. For that, I use TNs from trusted palates on CT or here or on Bordeaux Wine Enthusiasts.

If you trust only your own palate, or you want to preserve a third or half of the bottle for consumption months or more down the road, the mini-bottle trick people used to send wine around for remote tastings during lockdown might work, but it’s a lot of effort.

So my Coravin has been sitting unused for years. Neal, if you want it to experiment for yourself, it’s yours (assuming I can find it).

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