Trip Report: Restaurants + TNs in Rome, Siena, Florence, Modena (Valentini, Burlotto, Pepe, Gravner, etc)

I just got back from a 2 week trip to Italy and wanted to share some notes on restaurants and wines. We spent 3 nights in Rome, 5 in Siena, 2 in Modena, 3 in Florence, and 1 in Bibbona. All in all we had a great trip with lots of good food and wine.

I got a lot of the recommendations from people and threads on this forum, especially from @M.Kaplan,@Faryan_Amir-Ghassemi, and @Otto_Forsberg so thank you for that!

One personal thing about Italian restaurants (say compared to France or other places) is that after two weeks I get quite tired of the food, despite loving to cook Italian food at home. It’s probably mostly because all “traditional” restaurants basically have the same menu, which is hyper local for better or worse – e.g. virtually every restaurant in Rome has cacio e pepe and every place in Modena has tortellini. So unless you go for the secondi, which tend to be slightly more diverse, you end up with very limited options.

One thought about restaurant wine lists: they tend to be much more expensive compared to France and it’s way more difficult to find values or “trophy wines” at reasonable prices. On a similar trip to France we probably would have drunk big names like Coche-Dury, Selosse, or even DRC but those big names (or their Italian equivalents) are all priced at secondary market value in Italy. Granted, I’m much less versed in Italian wines than I am in French and the choices of restaurants may have been more touristy but I still feel that in similar restaurants in France/Austria/Germany/etc you get better value on wines. In fact, the wine lists often match US pricing…

Rome
Had three great days in Rome, despite the entire city being pretty much one huge construction site right now. Favorite gelato here was Come Il Latte (we didn’t make it to La Romana this trip, although I still remember their gelato from 8 years ago…)

On our arrival day, we had dinner at Roscioli Salumeria Con Cucina. Great food that is all about the quality of the ingredients. Wine list is interesting as well, but prices are relatively high.

  • 2022 Azienda Agricola Valentini Cerasuolo d'Abruzzo - Italy, Abruzzi, Cerasuolo d'Abruzzo (6/29/2024)
    Lovely nose with slightly funky notes, strawberries, blood orange, minerals, and grapefruit. Nice palate as well with good acidity and texture, more blood orange notes, some savory components, and good complexity. Nice finish. Great Cerasuolo that should only improve with age. It opened beautifully with air and was approachable, but I'd still hold this for 3-5 years. 93+ (93 points)

The second dinner was at their sister restaurant, Rimessa Roscioli. Very different menu and experience. Their wine list is outstanding with lots and lots of small Italian producers. Although we wanted to try something Italian, I just couldn’t pass on the opportunity to drink a 1991 Robert Michel, a wine that is increasingly hard to find especially for such an old vintage. The somm was super helpful and excited about the choice as well.
We enjoyed both Roscioli restaurants for different reasons, so it’s hard to pick a favorite. If I had to pick one, it would probably be Rimessa because of the more interesting wine list and less cramped seating.

  • 1991 Robert Michel Cornas La Geynale - France, RhĂ´ne, Northern RhĂ´ne, Cornas (6/30/2024)
    Dark color and beautiful nose with notes of dark fruit, earth, cherries, black olives, leather, and a hint of mint. Lovely acidity on the palate with tart fruit, more cherries, red berries, tertiary notes, and savory. Long finish. Wow, this was in great shape! Perfectly aged but still plenty of fruit to drink well for a long time. (95 points)

On our last day in Rome, we had lunch at Armando al Pantheon. Fantastic pasta dishes and interesting wine list. Reservations for Armando and Roscioli Salumeria are both difficult to get and we had to settle for lunch here, although that ended up being a great choice.

  • 2021 Emidio Pepe Trebbiano d'Abruzzo - Italy, Abruzzi, Trebbiano d'Abruzzo (7/1/2024)
    Pleasant nose with fruit and minerals, citrus, apple, and maybe a hint of bergamot. Good acidity with lots of minerals, lemon, lime, and a saline note on the palate. Good finish. Lovely wine that is young but approachable. At this stage there is good complexity of flavors, but not too much depth, but that may come with age. 92++ (92 points)

Last dinner in Rome was at Pipero (1* Michelin). This was a huge disappointment. The food tasted alright, but didn’t really speak to us. It seemed to be all about checking all the Michelin boxes rather than focus on the actual food. I was also very put off by the “sommelier”: when asked what type of wine we should order, he strongly recommended a red, so we went for a Valentini Montepulciano. Every single dish on the tasting menu turned out to be either fish or otherwise much better suited for a white (except for the last one) and the wine pairing they served to the neighboring table was pretty much all whites. Despite the horrible advice, the Valentini turned out to be the star of the night, so I wasn’t too sad about the choice, just perplexed with the recommendation.

  • 2017 Azienda Agricola Valentini Montepulciano d'Abruzzo - Italy, Abruzzi, Montepulciano d'Abruzzo (7/1/2024)
    Fragrant and pretty nose with sour cherry, smoke, raspberries, earth, blackberries, and some violets/floral notes that emerged with air. Nice acidity on the palate with textural but subtle tannins, more red cherries and fruit. Nice finish. The wine opened up beautifully with a couple of hours in the decanter, but I would hold this for 10+ years. It's drinking well but was clearly not showing everything. 94+ (94 points)

Siena
We went to Siena for a wedding and combined the trip with the Palio horse race. Unfortunately, this was the first year since 1979 that the Palio had to be postponed 2 days in a row, so we did get all of the waiting and parade experience, but missed the actual race since we had dinner reservations in San Gimignano on the third day when it actually happened… Despite this, we still had a great time and the city is absolutely gorgeous and worth a longer stay (I grew up in a well preserved medieval city but Siena is next level).
We used Siena as the base for day trip to explore Tuscany (e.g. Montepulciano, Chianti, San Gimignano), which turned out to be a great choice.

Our first dinner here was at Osteria Le Logge. Probably one of the favorite meals of the trip. The dishes are simple but delicious and the wine list is deep. Highly recommended.

  • 2019 Comm. G.B. Burlotto Barolo Monvigliero - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barolo (7/2/2024)
    Wow, what an incredible nose, so gorgeous and complex. Lots of floral notes, roses, red cherries, earth, and tar. It's super well balanced and nothing sticks out and kept changing and revealing more nuances in the glass. Good acidity on the palate with flavors of blood orange, sour cherry, and earth. There are lots of tannins but they are integrated quite well and linger a bit in the background. Long finish. This is simply outstanding. Surprisingly approachable at this early stage and already a memorable experience. There is no shame in drinking it now, but it should only improve in 10-15 years. 98+ (98 points)

The second night, we went to La Compagnia dei Vinattieri. Another great meal and fantastic wine list. Also highly recommended.

  • 2013 Montevertine Le Pergole Torte Toscana IGT - Italy, Tuscany, Toscana IGT (7/3/2024)
    Fresh and beautiful nose with cherries, plums, earth, a hint of cocoa nibs, spices, and some floral components. Good acidity with big tannic structure on the palate, more red cherries, black pepper, and a hint of cassis. The palate is very textural at this stage. Long and lingering finish. Lovely wine that opened up beautifully with air. I'd say hold this for a bit longer, but it can be enjoyed now. (95 points)

Modena
We spent two nights in Modena, mostly to eat at Osteria Francescana, which we combined with the Ferrari Museum in Maranello (including the F1 Simulator) and visits to Parmesan and Aceito Balsamico producers, which both turned out to be really interesting and educational. After visiting an acetaia we had a great Balsamico tasting at La Consorteria 1966, which is a shop that focuses on smaller producers. Ice cream at Bloom across the street was exceptional, probably the best gelato of the trip.

First night here was dinner at Trattoria Pomposa Al Re Gras. This turned out to be a lovely meal, the tortellini both in broth and parmesan sauce were excellent. Wine list is mostly local Lambrusco and we chose a delicious Cantina della Volta 36 months metodo classico.

Next, the main event was dinner at Osteria Francescana (3* Michelin). Overall, a nice experience, but we still left slightly disappointed due to huge expectations. The menu was about flavors from all over the world, interpreted by Massimo Bottura in a “modenese way”. This turned out to be too much “fusion” for my taste and I felt that almost none of the dishes really benefitted from the merging of flavors. What was impressive, was the flawless execution of every single dish, but at the end of the day only one was truly exceptional (Focaccia Tatin). The wine list is interesting, but expensive, especially for the big names. We went with a nice 2015 Ca’ del Bosco Franciacorta Annamaria Clementi, 2016 Valentini Trebbiano (WOTN), and 2018 Conterno Gattinara Molsino (really good).

Florence
We spent three days in Florence. There seem to be even more tourists than our last trip about 6 years ago (although that was in early September, which may explain the difference). Still, it’s always nice to spend time in Florence despite the crowds.

On our first night here, we went to Enoteca Pitti Gola e Cucina. Great food and DEEP wine list with tons of Chianti’s from the 60s to 80s and all the way back to 1907 at excellent prices (most sub €100). We went with a 1989 Montetondo Chianti Classico “Cru”. It still had some life left and was a great intellectual experience.

Next, we went to Buca Lapi for the Bistecca Fiorentina. The steak was fantastic. The wine list not so much and I wasn’t happy with our choice of 2019 Brunello and don’t even remember the wine we ordered…

For our last night in Florence we chose to have dinner at Enoteca Bruni. WOW! This must be one of the best natural wines lists I have ever seen anywhere. Every important producer is represented, although it must be said that the top wines are “wine club” only, so no Overnoy, Bruyere, Lefort, Beauger, etc for first-time customers. Still, there was plenty to choose from and prices are reasonable. The sommelier is extremely knowledgable and the meal was fantastic as well. I highly recommend this place, especially if you’re into natural wine.

  • 2017 L'Arbre Blanc (Frederic Gounan) Vin de France Les fesses - France, Vin de France (7/11/2024)
    Lovely nose with notes blood orange, citrus zest, red apple, and minerals. Nice acidity and quite structured on the palate with flavors of lemon, orange, more zest/pith, saline notes, tart peaches, and apricots. Long finish. Super interesting, beautiful, and engaging wine. I'd drink this closer to room temperature. (94 points)

Bibbona / Bolgheri
For our last night, we stayed at a beautiful Bed and Breakfast in Bibbona (Podere Le Mezzelune). We also had a tour and tasting at Ornellaia (mostly for educational purposes since I’m not a big fan on the wines, but it was a very interesting visit nonetheless), which was a nice end to our trip.

Dinner was at La Pineta (1* Michelin) at the marina and with a seafood menu. I really enjoyed the meal here (maybe except for the last dish that was too rich and heavy for the fish) and the view of the sunset.

  • 2015 Gravner Ribolla - Italy, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Venezia Giulia IGT (7/12/2024)
    Fragrant nose with apricots, stone fruit, minerals, apple, and flowers. Good texture on the palate with nice acidity, flavors of orange, more apricot, citrus zest, and dried flowers. Nice finish. Lovely wine that is still quite young and should improve with age. This is a big and quite ripe wine with some noticeable alcohol, but it's well balanced. 93-94+ (94 points)

Roscioli Salumeria:

Rimessa Roscioli:

Unsuccessful Palio attempt:

Lots of Parmeggiano:

Wine list heaven:

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Great report!

Was in Siena and Modena in May. I’m vegan so nobody here will want my restaurant recs, but my wife did eat at Le Logge for a solo lunch while I was out cycling around the vineyards/white gravel roads and she raved about it. I was bummed as they had nothing for me to eat really, but the wine list looked way better than most places. No memorable wine for us while there as not a huge Sangiovese fan and your comments on lists resonates with me. Really enjoyed the espresso at Caffe Fiorella and Caffe Nannini. Siena was a lovely place and would love to go back for the cycling!

Only 24 hrs in Modena. Also went to the Ferrari museum, which was amazing and made me - for the first time in my life - want to own a fancy car. Solid espresso at Bar Pavarotti and Cagliari.

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Plenty of places in Italy where it’s possible to drink with the tiniest of markups on the wine, indeed I can’t ever recall a vicious UK level markup in places we’ve eaten in Italy. The fancier the place though, the more likely to see bigger markups, and the more popular with tourists, the more likely trophy wines have been cleared out. Valentini remains crazily sought after, so no surprise those prices were high (as an aside, I remember deciding against buying a Valentini trebbiano in a lovely wine shop outside of Reggio nell’emilia €45 didn’t seem unreasonable, but I bought something else instead :face_with_peeking_eye: )

Re: the ‘same old, same old’ on the food, yes if eating in traditional places (which I like), it can get repetitive, with subtle differences, but not great variety. It’s one reason we tend to stay in apartments, as we can mix a light picnic style lunch in at the apartment, if planning a bigger meal in the evening. Plus I love the specialist food shops, and it gives me good opportunity to keep topping up the stuff we’ll have at the apartment for breakfast, lunch or supper. One aspect that has changed in Italy over the years, that when dining out, having antipasti+primi+secondi+dolci was more expected. Now it’s much more acceptable to order just what you want.

Ugh!! No surprise that palio attempt was unsuccessful. I hate crowds, and that picture could be a personal hell for me.

Thanks for the report, TNs and piccies!

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That Siena square is a lot more enjoyable without the crowds! :hushed:

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My experience of Italian wine lists is the opposite. I’m not looking for trophy wines, and usually drink the best examples of local wines. (Except for Southern reds, not a fan). I remember very affordable Emidio Pepe at Armando al Pantheon.

You didn’t eat any secondi? No wonder you were bored with the food. I don’t eat much meat but find plenty of fish to enjoy, even in Florence.

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Yes, though I much preferred the saturday morning farmer’s market in the old market building just below the campo. That’s my sort of tourism :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

Attending the Palio is on my bucket list. Piazza del Campo is pretty empty the rest of the year.

That must be difficult when traveling in much of Western Europe, as Italian, French, and Spanish cuisines use a lot of animal proteins and, even more problematic I imagine, animal fat (butter, primarily) in pretty much anything that doesn’t already include animal protein.

I know a guy that owns some Paris restaurants, including a (now repurposed) Michelin **. He me told that the ** restaurant could deal with any dietary restrictions (vegetarian, gluten, animal proteins, et al) except vegan, because they use animal fat in most everything. I once saw him navigate the only 6-top in the restaurant for dietary restrictions. He wanted to accommodate everyone, but couldn’t accommodate the vegan at the table.

In the south of Italy, not quite hard as they use more olive oil than butter.

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Definitely took a lot of pre-planning to find places that had vegan options. Was actually surprised at the number of places in Italy (we visited Amalfi Coast, Naples, Siena, Modena, Bolzano, Dolomites & Venice) that had vegan options, including some higher end places. But I also ate a lot of marinara pizza with mushrooms and spinach, which was fine by me.

The only downside were the restaurants I wanted to visit for their wine lists never had vegan options, but we still drank very well during our trip.

I’ve been able to get by in Belgium without much issue as well.

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Try going to Uruguay and rural Argentina with your son’s vegan girlfriend!

She was a real trouper amidst all the parrillas. She had to suffer through a lot of spaghetti in marinara sauce.

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It was a great experience, even without the race. On the first day, all the horses actually came out and they attempted two starts before it suddenly started raining and they aborted. On the second day it was pouring an hour before the start, so no chance of a race. We were definitely disappointed to not see the race, but felt that we still got a lot of the feeling and vibe around the event.

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Great post and sounds like a lovely trip!

Been too long since I visited Italy, however what Ian mentions is what I recall as well.

Personally I most often go for 2 out of 3 (antipasta, primi and secondo).

One of places I have on my to visit list is La Subida - a great example of wines at very very reasonable price at a top dining place in Italy:

https://www.lasubida.it/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/vini-Maggio-24-.pdf

What to order? Tough call - hope I can go there with a big party!

Sounds like a great trip. Eating and drinking in Italy always feels like a treat to me.

But you do highlight some of the challenges us intrepid travelers face! I think on average there is less creativity in Italian restaurants than some other European countries. So depending on your tastes - and selections - it can get repetitive.

But, like some other folks have mentioned on the thread, I get tired of restaurants - in general - after 2 days! I don’t know how some of the folks on here keep it up. It seems like restaurants are either about entertainment or convenience, but almost never nourishment in the same way you get from home cooking. Which is something one needs in general, but especially on these arduous wine vacations! Air BnB/cooking at home is essential for me to keep some balance if these trips extend past a few days.

Plus, markets/food shopping is usually such a great part of the local culture, and you often get better products than what you’ll find in most restaurants.

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The thing is that Italians love both tradition and their food culture, so most of their restaurants are serving just traditional Italian food. If the Italians think they have the best food culture in the world (and their home village has the best food in all Italy), why there should be any other kinds of restaurants. Only some progressive fine dining restaurants there might do something different.

So if one goes to Italy, one should expect to eat Italian food there. And since pizza, pasta, salume, bisteccas and seafood are so prevalent there, those are the dishes you are going to get. However, unless you treat all pastas as just “one dish”, the selection of different dishes there is immense. I could stay for weeks in Italy, eating pasta every day and not eat the same dish twice nor get bored with pasta.

Other European countries might have a more diverse selection of different restaurants because they don’t have as rich culinary history as Italy does. That means they have had more influences from other countries, resulting in more variation in the local cuisine, but even more often, better acceptance of foreign restaurants - meaning that it might not be creativity per se.

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Agree. For me it’s less about boredom, because it’s not like I’m exactly reinventing the wheel every night when I cook at home. It’s more about the style of restaurant cooking, which is almost never geared towards nourishment. So my body starts to feel off.

I also couldn’t eat pasta every night. Prefer to get other grains involved. But that’s getting a bit detailed…

IDK, it may be partially the ‘rich culinary history’ but it’s also the history of immigration AND the specific form of culinary history. For example, France has a rich culinary history but also clearly lots of immigrant influences, which further diversifies the food culture. But, it goes beyond just immigrants, because French chefs also have a more imperialist approach to cuisine, feeling more comfortable taking influences from around the world and assimilating them into the French canon. (Obviously these are gross generalizations)

i agree with you here, the menus can feel somewhat monotone after a while and are perhaps a bit less seasonal than what you see in france. however, i disagree with the sentiment up thread that there are few wine deals in italy. the pricing in france has come way up on wine lists even for the glass pour end of things. some of the best deals i have had on french wine have come from restaurants in neighboring countries…

It’s true that there are very few grains in Italy, since most of the stuff is based on either wheat or rice. They don’t grow much oats, rye, barley or buckwheat there. However, even if a lot of Italian food is based on pasta or rice, there are lots of dishes that don’t involve any grains.

Sure, France is a completely different thing altogether - and thus it doesn’t really make any sense to compare how things are in France. They are on a completely different level altogether.

However, when it comes to restaurant cooking, I feel Italian food is much more varied than many other countries, and definitely more geared towards nourishment (although I’m not entirely sure what you mean by this - more healthy? calls for more protein? something else?). For example if you travel outside the big cities in Germany or Poland, basically everything is just fat-heavy red meat and potatoes. And although everything we ate in Portugal was delicious, it feels like it is always either red meat or seafood. Typically with a lot of salt and with fries of potato chips. If we found something that broke this mold, it was something non-Portuguese that had made its way to the menu. In Italy, on the other hand, many dishes are often based on fresh vegetables and red meat is not that pervasive in the cuisine. I’d say most of the saturated fats come from cheeses, not meat.

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For the most part, restaurants trade on entertainment and/or convenience. Most of the restaurants wine board folks seek out (including myself) are essentially entertainment, where the chefs are trying to make the food as delicious as possible, in ways that are not part of a healthy diet when eaten day-in day-out.

The majority of restaurants probably trade on convenience, with simple food whose selling point is that you don’t have to cook it yourself. However, they make money by cutting quality, or quantity of the good parts, compared to if you went to the market yourself.

Neither approach is good for long-term nourishment, although of course both have a place in a robust culture/economy/society, for various reasons.

But to bring it back to the OP’s topic, every time I visit and eat and drink in Italy, I always wonder why I don’t spend more time there!

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Great trip notes, Andy. I love the selection of wines. A thoughtful selection of bottles I would order in a heartbeat to enjoy with classic meals.

Re the repetitive/heavy food one can digest in Italy…I agree!

I try to change it up with nontraditional options or light picnic fare. E.g., in Milan we really enjoyed lunch at Joia, which I believe is Michelin starred but a complete 180 from Italian fare (it’s an Indian restaurant).

I also try to get in morning jogs. Good way to burn off the cacio pepe.

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