Trapet vs Rossignol-Trapet

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I think the biggest difference between Rousseau and Trapet is concentration/depth and in my experience the 19-22 wines have significantly more than the 16.

If you blinded 16 trapet and Rousseau chambertin you would have no difficulty telling the two wines apart; I’ve know because we did this tasting (along with RT) and all the tasters identified the wines correctly. With 20, it’s much more difficult.

That all being said, I do really like the 16 trapet chambertin and can understand why you like it, it’s a very nice, balanced wine that is beautiful to drink.

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As I said, if price is no object (if you consider $600 to be downright cheap) buy Trapet.

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Great question! Both share a common lineage but have taken different paths—Trapet is generally seen as more prestigious, while Rossignol-Trapet offers great value. Curious to hear others’ thoughts!

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If money is no object, buy Rousseau. Trapet doesn’t provide nearly the caché. And I didn’t say that $600 is cheap. $600 for a bottle of wine in a vacuum is by all measures a lot of money. But if you look at it in the context of Burgundy, the vineyard, and quality, it’s more complicated than just saying “cheap” or “expensive”.

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Or Latour 2016 for a little less.

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I’m a seller of high end bdx right now; I can always buy it back in the future for essentially the same price it is now in OWC from UK sellers with great provenance so I find no reason to cellar it because it won’t be ready to drink for ages anyways. The same certainly can’t be said for Burgs.

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I am selling some wine at auction in mid April. I have a feeling it will sell for more than I expect because of expected chaos in the market.

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I have some wine headed to auction in April as well. We’ll see how well it goes.

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Which auctions?

If you don’t want to post publicly feel free to PM

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I think there is a house rule about promoting a sale rather than putting it on Commerce Corner. There are around 1500 bottles, so legally and logistically, it would be a problem.

If not, it is at Zachys, and I am waiting for the final catalog, and can be more specific about lot numbers . Ditto I hope for for Andrew.

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I’m also still waiting on the final inventorying and auction date.

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Fair enough, not trying to break house rules.

Good luck with the sales.

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I hope for your sake that you are correct. But, with the market going down, a lot of people are reducing spending. Wine prices went down, not up, in 2000-2002 or so and during 2008-2010.

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In the scheme of things, this is totally unimportant. The chaos unleashed by this is likely to cost us all in the long run. Even in the short run.

I have lost more money on paper today in the stock market, than any increase in price for my wine at auction.

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The 2008-2010 financial crisis provided unbelievable wine bargains, much better than Covid. If folks are nearly as leveraged today, I suspect the tariff crisis will be more like the former.

I’d far prefer that my 401k remained whole, and be disappointed with wine prices, than the converse.

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As a Bordeaux drinker, certainly not the case. The Chinese were in the marketplace, and prices were incredibly high.

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I agree with Brady in reference to Burgundy.

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I found great deals in Burgundy, the northern Rhone, and Piedmont, which is honestly all I looked for. I remember that Bordeaux was going crazy then. The 2008 EP pricing was reasonable then the bargains were all gone.

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Related to both topics in this thread, I managed to grab some 2018 Trapet Chambertin at $360/bottle this week – not at all cheap but a lot less expensive than current prices being quoted here. Now I’ll be able to set up my own Rossignol vs Trapet tasting! Thanks for enabling me (I think lol).

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