This…I would also include Clos de Tart.
Although it sort of depends…With the larger vineyards, are we looking at those that can and do make great winesvas the benchmark, or taking the vineyard and wines produced as a whole into consideration?
If the former, then CDLR has a agood case, as does Clos Vougeot, maybe some others also
If its the later, then the list is much shorter…and yes, maybe Chambertin or CCDB don’t quite make it…
Well, if you include all of the suggestions you’re going to end up with 20 odd “best” grand crus. I think there’s an interesting (though academic!) aspect to this though aside from just getting a big list of individuals’ preferences. Taking an analytical approach, there’s a few complications - as Sanjay said already, perhaps some GCs are “great” because of who is making the wine; this is clearly exacerbated for DRC with their monopoles. So if you hypothesise that perhaps RC and LT are no better than Musigny etc you would assume that the determining factor is the producer. But then you can look at their Richebourg and RSV and argue that, while the Domaine is generally near the top for those vineyards, there are other producers who also make great wine - perhaps the equal of the Domaine - from those vineyards. Therefore, you could conclude that RC and LT are indeed superior (having “normalised” for producer).
You could also look at average prices as a guide, assuming that the market is at least somewhat efficient in judging what’s “best”. Presumably you could go through winesearcher to compile statistics.
I also think it helps to define what you mean by “top / best” vineyards, because multiple perspectives can apply - e.g. an investor would look at $ yield / ha cf $ cost per ha. A consumer looking for bang for buck might say Clos Vougeot is best because you can do awfully well for $150.
Stratification also helps - top 3? 5? 9? 10? If you work it through restrictively, you may get better force rankings. For example, CDLR has been introduced and then immediately that opens it up for CdTart (really?!? never been that impressed), which in turn let’s in Latricieres… Echezaux
All that aside, my personal view would be:
TOP 3
)I would like to add that Damoy 99 will be a monster and deserve at least 97 in 2019 !!
Peter,
I wasn´t very clear - I agreed with you that Chambertin and Clos de Beze belong at least into group 3 with Rb and RSV - but that there are many mean producers besides Rousseau and Leroy (in Rb and RSV there are rarely 1 or 2) … and I asked for additional names.
Good to hear that Damoy makes again great wines. I had some good, some disapointing, but nothing really exciting after the 60ies … a pity reg. the vineyard holdings.
Gerhard - thanks for the clarification.
To all :
since the question is : Top GC vineyards in Burgundy, we should rank them as they… ARE…regardless its producers, prices and monopole. ![[bow.gif]](/uploads/db3686/original/2X/3/34fe6dfbb5b9ca18529c11cea0b49f72cb1f17d5.gif "bow"){kind=small}
Sorry for thread drift but have you guys tried more recent Damoy ie 09 chambertin and cdbeze?
forgot about Burguet, making some recent great Beze.