TNs: Nebbiolo vs Sangiovese

NEBBIOLO VS SANGIOVESE - (2/9/2024)

A superb dinner by Chef Watanabe at a friend’s place, Italian-Spanish cuisine with a little Japanese influence in technique. As for the wines, Nebbiolo and Sangiovese have always been tough to tell apart for me other than the classic red-fruited, tongue-coating acidity Nebbiolo (that I love) and the obnoxiously oaked and extracted Brunello Riservas (that I hate).

  • 1998 Elio Altare Barolo - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barolo
    Guessed cool vintage '90s Barolo so pretty happy with that. Fully integrated (including the oak) despite its modernity; maybe being the entry-level helped. Resolved tannins and autumnal tea-like flavours, very enjoyable. (93 pts.)
  • 2016 Castelgiocondo (Marchesi de’ Frescobaldi) Brunello di Montalcino Riserva Ripe al Convento - Italy, Tuscany, Montalcino, Brunello di Montalcino
    Surprisingly most guessed Nebbiolo for this but I thought this was nailed on Sangiovese. Tannic and oaky without the acidity of Nebbiolo, only saving grace was its red-fruited notes. Rather glossy overall but others liked this a lot. (91 pts.)
  • 2018 Elio Altare Barolo Arborina - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barolo
    Didn’t like this at all, obtrusive oak (which was somehow more prominent in my glass) and a distracting liquorice note. Quite soupy at the moment, I think these integrate with time but are practically undrinkable young for me. Again, others liked this more than me. (85 pts.)
  • 2008 La Spinetta (Rivetti) Barolo Vürsù Vigneto Campè - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barolo
    I am the first to shit on modern Nebbiolos (especially this producer), but this was a pleasant surprise today. Clearly modern with spicy oak use but wasn’t obtrusive, not overly extracted whilst remaining red-fruited. Well-balanced in the vein of Sandrone, Altare with some age. Also a crowd favourite. (92 pts.)
  • 2005 Castelgiocondo (Marchesi de’ Frescobaldi) Brunello di Montalcino Riserva Ripe al Convento - Italy, Tuscany, Montalcino, Brunello di Montalcino
    Most landed correctly in Sangio for this, guessed a tannic vintage like '06 or '08. Rather masculine; over-extraction and excessive oak use which gave some coarse tannins. Not a fan. (82 pts.)
  • 2010 Gianni Brunelli Brunello di Montalcino Riserva - Italy, Tuscany, Montalcino, Brunello di Montalcino
    Brought for a friend. Another obvious Sangio, everyone guessed this correctly. Despite being more traditional than the ‘05 Frescobaldi alongside, I still found this to suffer from over-extraction and oak use; and a little too dark and tannic. Generally prefer non-riserva Brunellos. (90 pts.)
  • 2010 Giacomo Grimaldi Barolo Le Coste - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barolo
    Said this could only be a traditional Nebbiolo producer from a good vintage. Some tell-tale VA on the nose, more pleasant but less depth than the Virna alongside but in truth they were both similarly well-balanced. Really solid effort. (92 pts.)
  • 2010 Azienda Virna Di Borgogno Barolo Cannubi Boschis - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barolo
    Remarkably similar to the Grimaldi. Thought same producer but different vintage, guessed as another traditional Nebbiolo producer from a good vintage. A little more concentration and slightly plummier red fruit, but a lovely lift and tannic bite that were so classically Nebbiolo. Impossible to split the two '10s. (92 pts.)
  • 2006 Sottimano Barbaresco Fausoni - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Barbaresco
    Brought for a friend. More extracted and tannic than recent iterations (‘14 onwards) which have been wonderfully pure and red-fruited. Some slightly plummy, dark fruit. Not fully overtly modern, but a product of the in-vogue style of the mid-'00s. (91 pts.)
  • 2009 Elio Altare Langhe Arborina - Italy, Piedmont, Langhe, Langhe DOC
    My contribution, similar to my previous impression. Well-proportioned despite being modern; a good mixture of elegance and seductiveness. Sweet sensual fruit, supple tannins, and superb precision in a warm year. My favourite alongside the '98 Altare.

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Hell that food looks great!

Found the Sottimanos from the noughties to be decent, and as you say quite ripe, but when I open them generally looking for a bit more elegance. They were rather well priced at the time though.

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Interesting notes. I, too, have been fooled sometimes tasting nebbiolo and sangiovese blind.

At a tasting I hosted a year or so ago of '18 Barolos, most of us barfed. The ripeness dominated everything.

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@Kent_Comley exactly my thoughts on the Sottimano

@John_Morris most seemed to like it but I was quite horrified, not the first time my palate aligns with wine nerds more than the people I drink with!