TNs: (Mostly) Loire wines

When you get cool wine dudes like JayM, JaysonC and DonR into a Loire-themed dinner, expect great-drinking stuff from 1959 to the present. Of course, the rest of us made sure to go with the enthusiastic flow and chip in with some truly cool and classical stuff as well.

Patrick was in town and the 7 of us used it as a (mostly) Loire wine-themed opportunity at Trattoria One Fifth on 12/30/2024.

TNs were from very cluttered iPhone scribbles and 70% memory, as I was more into enjoying the moment with the fun company.

Whites:

1959 Franz Von Metternich Clusserather Bruderschaft Riesling Spatlese
Fresh baked confections, a bit of petrol. Smooth, layered fruit.

1970 Domaine Huet Sec Perlant Vouvray
Rounded elegance. A treat.

1989 Domaine Robert Denis Touraine Azay-Le-Rideau Sec
Aired out to provide a hint of oxidation, complex chenin, flower notes.

1996 Domaine Huet ‘Le Mont’ Moelleux Premiere Trie Vouvray
Golden color, caramel, citrus peel. Drinking well.

2009 Domaine Huet ‘Le Mont’ Sec Vouvray
Citrus acidity, some lanolin, complex chenin, hint of honey.

2012 Pierre Peters Cuvee Speciale Les Chétillons BdB
Big snd dense, intense lemon, mineral and some confection. Great balance.

2019 Domaine du Collier Saumur Blanc
Young but showed smooth chenin. Well structured chenin.

2021 Bernardeau Les Ongles VdF
High level of intensity. Apples. saltiness, acidity. A prime time chenin blanc.

Reds:

1989 Domaine Chanteleuserie Cuvee Beauvais Bourgueil
Cherry acidity, dialed down intensity, but with enough fruit and tertiary notes.

1989 Domaine Couly-Dutheil Chinon Clos de l’Olive
Earthy, some green veggie, thin.

1995 Ch. Sociando-Mallet Haut-Medoc
A very nice showing; served blind and clearly with the Loire CF mode, a classic SM as I know it to be and liked.

2005 Domaine Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissee
Tannic, classic cabernet franc structure, restrained tasty ripeness, great showing, long.

2005 Olga Raffault Chinon Les Picasses
Ripe, sweet, can use more cellar time.

2005 Clos Rougeard Les Poyeux Saumur-Champigny
Defines classy and balanced cabernet franc, just hitting great drinking plateau. Always a treat.

2005 Chateau L’Evangile Pomerol
Modern and distinctively diverted from the Loire

2009 Domaine Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissee
Very young, but so much in traditional CF make up. Give it time and expect greatness.

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bummed to have missed this one, but looks like an awesome lineup. nice notes.

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Sounds excellent - thanks for the very useful notes. Shame about the Clos de l’Olive 89 - I’ve had some stellar bottles but admittedly the last was in 2020.

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I’ll add my notes shortly, but the 89 Clos d’Olive was popped and poured and it suffered for it (I didn’t have a Durand with me while traveling so I had to wait until arrival). It didn’t show much at dinner but I had the second half of the bottle on day 2 and it was much better.

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Great night in NYC. This was a real treat for me, getting to try a selection of Loire wines with long time buddies who have been Loire enthusiasts for ages. Fun to see everyone.

We started with two sparklers
2012 Pierre Peters Les Chétillons BdB
Crisp, biscuit nose, tight and linear but very refined, tart palate of lemon and gooseberries, a little light at first but deepens with air, nice length, dry and gingery. Great potential but I found this austere, coiled and largest inscrutable at this stage. Unless you have lots, I wouldn’t touch these for at least 5 years. NR

1970 Huet Sec Perlant Vouvray Coppery and still, with nearly all the bubbles gone, a cidery wine with red apples and quince. Silky and fun. 91 pts.

Whites:
1989 Robert Denis Touraine Azay-Le-Rideau Sec Served blind and this seemed completely young, dense, tight, chiseled. Floral and white fruited, it got much more interesting with a decant, as more typical chenin notes like wax and lanolin appeared. Very long with a serious spine of firm acids. A treat. 93 pts.

2009 Huet Le Mont Sec
Smells of wet stones, cured lemons, fresh ginger, soy candle wax. Intense attack of big acids like white grapefruit with an off-dry note that together leave a bittersweet impression. Tart, waxy finish, overall in a stricter style than the 09 Clos du Bourg sec. Worked very well with food. 91-92 pts.

2019 Domaine du Collier Saumur Blanc
This needed some air, but I thought it was compelling with an exotic note of sweet tarts and hard candy. Integrates, bright, very long. 92-93 pts.

2021 Bernardeau Les Ongles VdF
So young but filled with promise. I liked but preferred the Collier as this was a little scattered for me at least this night.

Reds, which we drank youngest to oldest
2009 Baudry La Croix Boissee
Still primary in profile but wide open and engaging, with an extra gear of concentration. Though preferring the 05, this was great and confirms my impression the Croix Boissee is the shizzle. Softer with a gentle herbal note, this is so seamless. Its peak is still probably 10-ish years away but very enjoyable now. 92-93 pts.

2005 Baudry La Croix Boissee
I thought this was smashing. Still somewhat tight with some firm tannins but so well balanced with big fruit for this address. There are fresh herbs and braised greens, dark fruits and so much mineral intensity. Open for business but this should get better and better. 93-94 pts today, revisit in 5 years.

2005 Clos Rougeard Les Poyeux
My first Rougeard and it does not disappoint. Ready to drink but it’s still early days here as you sense the layers of depth left to unfurl. Wonderfully balanced, leather, minerals and dark fruits, so classy with enough structure to kept a claret lover happy. Regal. 95 pts.

Two double blind reds:
2005 Olga Raffault Les Picasses
Terrific bouquet here, sappy and herbal with crush rocks and sweet florals, expressive and already showing nuance. Brett-free for my horse-loving nose. The palate, lighter and leaner with a touch of dilution, couldn’t keep pace with the nose. 95 pts nose, 89-90 pts palate.

2005 L’Evangile
Served double blind and I was in the this-is-Bordeaux-but-WTF? camp. The oak levels were absurd, though I’m sure the lineup didn’t help. Coconut, kirsch, pomegranate creamsicle, and uncured lumber, I was guessing like a very modern St Emilion like Tetre Roteboeuf. The attack was plush and silky and this was clearly higher ABV, but it still had some 05 hardness on the finish. Double decanted like 12 hours before dinner, but it didn’t seem to help. Two attendees separately guessed this was a young La Rioja Alta, it was that oaky. Is this what l’Evangile has been these last 20 years? Yikes. Glad I don’t own any.

1995 Sociando-Mallet
I added this double blind for the group as Ramon and I had just talked about this vintage of S-M and WB’s own Robert Alfert has oft mentioned that this would be a great dark horse to add to a Loire lineup. Overall, the group zeroed in on Bordeaux quite quickly but the guesses were diverse from there, with most suggesting a classified growth. I thought it showed well, with some classic purple-lavender notes I often get at this address to go with cassis and cedar (and very little of the signature pyrazine/bell pepper left at this stage). Only moderate depth and length, but classy in a rustic laid-back vein. Definitely resolved and ready to drink. 92 pts.

1989 Chanteleuserie Cuvee Beauvais Bourgueil
This didn’t do much for me, with some diffuse flavors and a slightly dank note, but certainly serviceable with acids and mushrooms, quite tertiary. 87 pts.

1989 Couly-Dutheil Clos de l’Olive
This was popped and poured, which was a mistake. Seriously minty to start, almost toothpaste levels of menthol. Okay but it didn’t show much. 88 pts.
Day 2: Smoke, pine, tobacco, and most of all poblano, still some mint but a nuance now, complex. really classic and engaging. Smooth and lingering. 93 pts.

And one dessert wine
1996 Huet Le Mont Moelleux Premiere Trie
Stunning and high toned with searing levels of crunchy acids. The bouquet is still a little coiled but nevertheless redolent of white tea, honeyed limes, pickled ginger, and waxy white currants. Sweet but also demur, like rainwater infused with nasturtiums and lychee, magically transparent for a dessert wine. Mesmerizing. 94 pts.

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Oh yeah baby, nicely done Pat!

This is the kind of tasting that brother @Marc_Frontario and I drool over. I have and have had quite a few of these wines, love seeing your take, especially on the drinking window. That 2005 Rougeard is phenomenal. When you come to Orlando, I’ll pop a Le Bourg!

Drinking a 2019 Baudry Grezeaux right now. It’s gorgeous and Will continue to get better and better, in fact, I need to sit on some of these. Last night had one of those unicorn Huet wines, the Franc de Pied. It was a smashing hit at dinner last night, the girls even preferring it over the P2 Rose!

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How long do you usually like your Grezeaux? The youthfulness of the 05 and 09 Croix Boissees really stood out.

Whose cruel idea was it to bring Evangile? :joy:

Before we activate the Bordeaux brigade, I think this insertion was a great case study for relative calibration. Pat’s note read like 03 Pavie when 05 Evangile isn’t quite such a spoof wine, but compared to a more rustic and decidedly herbaceous set of wines, it’s hard to calibrate well.

Also the jump from Loire CF to RB Bordeaux is much wider than across almost all RB BDX, so again we recalibrate far differently vs if it was served alongside say Angelus and Talbot…

Anywho, great notes and sounds like a fun evening.

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Unfortunately that was my bright idea with Patrick in town. I brought the on theme Les Picasses as that is my last pre-2010 Loire so thought a same vintage RB option would make for a good blind but as you properly surmised; it stuck out and for the worse.

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Nah. That’s a near 20 year old L’Evangile that shows nothing like the glorious wines of the past. It tasted like a young 904 LRA and was near unrecognizable as Bordeaux.

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The intention was very generous and made sense with the theme. None of us knew evidently that’s how l’Evangile can show these days, so that alone was educational. Oddly enough, I’d not heard any scuttlebutt that they’d gone modern, so I was shocked on the reveal.

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Thanks for posting notes, guys. Great night. Great set of wines.

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I agree that the 2005 L’Evangile didn’t deserve the overly harsh treatment by EVERYONE else.
What did they expect after having just had 2005s from Baudry, OlgaR and Rougeard?
These fellows need to dial down on their criticism. It actually spotted the field with its 80% merlot :rofl:!

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Nice work and nice to see the Robert Denis wines still kicking around.

That’s a bummer to read. I had really liked the older wines in the 80s/90s when I’ve had them, didn’t realize they’ve moved that direction.

Sorry to miss this (and Patrick). Sounds like a great time.

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No criticism of the generous gesture!! @jcjouas is the man! It’s just so disappointing given how good the wines were for decades. I’m hoping it was a blip.

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My notes at long last. Many are illegible and at this remove I don’t know what I was trying to write.also there were 2 blind wines where I have my notes but not what wines they were :frowning:

1959 Franz Von Metternich Clusserather Bruderschaft Riesling Spatlese
A clear pool of water in moonlight
A-

1970 Domaine Huet Sec Perlant Vouvray
fascinating dry honey and earth
A

1996 Domaine Huet ‘Le Mont’ Moelleux Premiere Trie Vouvray
A limpid brilliance
A

2009 Domaine Huet ‘Le Mont’ Sec Vouvray
Wow. Blance, honey, persistence, bergamot. Beautiful
A

2012 Pierre Peters Cuvee Speciale Les Chétillons BdB
Still a bit ???, chalky and dry. B

2019 Domaine du Collier Saumur Blanc
Complex and psicy, a little in your face. B

2021 Bernardeau Les Ongles VdF
Even better, spice is more subdued, quite lovely. B+

Reds:

1989 Domaine Chanteleuserie Cuvee Beauvais Bourgueil
Smooth, lush wine. Good
B

1989 Domaine Couly-Dutheil Chinon Clos de l’Olive
Very nice, some lavendar

1995 Ch. Sociando-Mallet Haut-Medoc
quite nice, juicy
B+

2005 Domaine Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissee
Some band aid brett mars what is otherwise a very nice wine
B

2005 Olga Raffault Chinon Les Picasses
very nice, a pleasant licorice note
A-

2005 Clos Rougeard Les Poyeux Saumur-Champigny
A compelte wine that continues to open over the course of the evening.
A+

2005 Chateau L’Evangile Pomerol
Oaky McOakface. very lactic. not my thing
What has happened to l’Evangile? This is nearly as bad as the 2010.
C-

2009 Domaine Baudry Chinon La Croix Boissee
Rich, earthy, and gorgeous
A

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