TNs: KOSHER WINES FOR EASTER/PASSOVER

Happy Easter and Passover Berserkers,

With this Easter weekend upon us, the LCBO up here in Toronto has been pushing Kosher wines like crazy both at tastings and with limited offers on Kosher wines. Naturally, as a good Berserker I couldn’t pass up the chance to both taste and buy some of these for our mutual enjoyment.

Kosher wine in general has had a very bad reputation – and deservedly so – amongst wine aficionados for decades now mostly thanks to cheap, sweet Concord grape concoctions that wouldn’t even pass muster as Welch’s grape juice. Making things worse, a lot of these wines were pasteurized to be made meschuval i.e. they were cooked to the boiling point. The emphasis was on simply making the wines kosher, not making good kosher wines and it showed.

This has changed rather dramatically in the last decade, particularly with many Israeli and American kosher wineries finally putting winemaking skills on an equal par with their kosher procedures. Further, flash pasteurization technology has improved to the point where it’s not outright killing wine. So here’s a look at some modern Kosher wines:

BARON HERZOG 2008 CHARDONNAY KP M $15.95 (LCBO) – A value-priced Kosher Chardonnay from California. Clear light gold colour. Medium bodied. A very pleasant but slightly weak floral nose of orange blossoms with a bit of oak. Despite being labeled as a dry wine, this had a pleasant slightly sweet flavor with a very small hit of acidity and mild oak flavors on the finish. A lot less acidity than the California Chardonnays I tasted recently at the 2011 California Wine Fair, however.

This wine caused many shocked reactions by other tasters. They were all surprised and commented on the sweetness which they did not expect from a Chardonnay. Here you can see it is clearly geared towards a Kosher consumer who might enjoy the sweetness a bit more. I enjoyed it but I agree it is neither a dry wine nor do I think this is a wine Berserkers used to the best California and Niagara Chardonnays and French Chablis would enjoy.

BARON HERZOG 2008 CABERNET SAUVIGNON KP M $15.95 (LCBO) – A value-priced Cab Sauvignon from California. Dark ruby red colour. Light bodied. Pleasant but faint berry nose. Sweet cherry flavors in the mouth, along with oak and very soft tannins. A well-balanced but also very mild Cab Sauvignon. To build on another thread on the board regarding energy and tension in a wine: this wine had perfect tension but lacked energy.

BARON HERZOG WHITE ZINFADEL KP M $10.95 (LCBO) –- Translucent pink color. Light bodied. The back label says it has a nose of strawberry and cotton candy which made me scoff, but guess what? That’s exactly right. It’s actually got a nose of strawberry and cotton candy. Truth in wine labelling.

This had a very light strawberry apple flavour in the mouth. Nothing more complex than that. A lot more refreshing than I was expecting.

BARTENURA MOSCATO KP M $13.00 (LCBO) –- This is a Kosher lightly effervescent Moscato kosher wine from Italy. For all intents and purposes, it’s a Moscato D’Asti. Light straw color, light body supported by the bubbles, and a nice vanilla and sweet peach blossom nose. Tastes of peach and sweet apple in the mouth.

This somewhat paled in comparison to any other Moscato D’Asti from Italy, which is bizarre because it is in fact a Moscato D’Asti wine made in Italy. Yet, it had about half the nose, half the sweetness, half the bubbles, and half the fruit flavor of a regular Moscato D’Asti.

RODRIGUES SEMI-SWEET EXOTIQUE WILD BLUEBERRY WINE KP 15.95 (LCBO) – This wine’s background is almost as messed up and way out there as my Asian-Jewish background is, which is why I just had to try it. It’s a sulfite-free Kosher but non-Meshuval fruit wine from Newfoundland, Canada from a winery founded by a Jewish doctor and his French Newfoundlander wife.

It’s got a nice dark blue color, medium-body and nose of – wait for it – ripe sweet blueberries. Very pleasant medium sweet taste of, um, blueberries. Seriously, what else were you expecting in these notes? neener

Believe it or not, this is all actually quite an achievement because I have tasted a number of blueberry fruit wines from Niagara that don’t taste anything like blueberries, including an iced blueberry wine that you would think has super-concentrated blueberry flavors but actually didn’t. It’s very pleasant and works surprisingly well as a dinner wine. Note that this one should be drunk immediately.

BARON HERZOG JEUNESSE BLACK MUSCAT KP M $13.00 (LCBO) – Dark purple, near black in color, medium body, very good pineapple and grape notes in the nose. Almost identical to the Quady Elysium Black Muscat with two very important differences – this wine is less sweet and is not fortified up to 15%. It’s actually only 13% ABV and you would think that wouldn’t account for a great difference but it really does. Tastes of pineapple, orange, lemon and grape. Very fruity.

BARON HERZOG JEUNESSE K $13.75 (LCBO) – Note that though made from Cabernet Sauvignon, this is clearly a very different wine from their 08 Cab Sauv listed above which is meant to be a classical dry red wine. This is not.

This is a value-priced Cabernet Sauvignon from California with a deep purple-red color, medium body and strong nose of plum and berries. It’s the taste, however, that split tasters right down the middle.

As I have recently gotten into off-dry, semi-sweet and sweet German Riesling Spatleses and Ausleses, I have been wondering whether anyone would dare to make a similarly sweet red table wine. Lo and behold, here it is. A Cabernet Sauvignon with the sweetness of a spatlese, at least, and possibly even sweeter. Tastes of strawberries, very nearly jam-like.

Whoa. And I thought their Chardonnay was divisive. This one really freaked out a lot of tasters who thought they would be tasting a dry Cab Sauv, even more than their Chardonnay did. It’s certainly not a crappy Concord grape Manischewitz by any means, but it’s not exactly a full-on Cabernet Sauvignon either, at least not the type that the Berserkers – hell, even just regular consumers – would be used to in the least.

This wine is clearly intended to wake the Manischewitz crowd up and start them down the path to some real red wine. I enjoyed it, but I think this was more of a “right time, right place” kind of thing as it answered my question about a semi-sweet red wine.

This is a really hard wine to recommend because if you want sweet red, you’re really better of with a sweet red icewine. If you want dry wine, this won’t be for you. And once someone who drinks this makes the full-on transition to real dry red wine, I can’t imagine they will ever go back to this.

OVERALL: Wow. An incredibly mixed bag here. Kosher wines are clearly long beyond the old days of icky sweet purple “wine,” but you can clearly see in the wines I had an acknowledgment that the core audience has been raised on sweet wine (however crappy it was) and they seem to be acknowledging how difficult it will be to wean that audience off of the sugar.

This really makes the wines hard to recommend to Berserkers given the expertise of the group. The wines that were sweet weren’t full-on sweet enough and the wines that were meant to be “real” wines had enough sweetness in them to freak out regular wine drinkers.

Now this said, they definitely qualify as real wines, miles and ages away from the crappy stuff I refused to drink at Passover when I was a kid. However, they strike me more as novelty wines. I think they’re worth trying once but it is up to a Berserker’s individual tastes to see if they are repeat purchases. Cheers. [cheers.gif]

Tran,

No offense, but are you employed by the LCBO or another retailer/wholesaler/importer? If so, you should note that you are In The Business (ITB) in your signature. While I appreciate that you took one for the team to taste and post on these wines, the prose looks more like ‘store newsletter’ than consumer synthesis, particularly with the prices added in. What gave me some pause, however, before coming out and accusing you of ‘shilling’ was the fact that I doubt more than a dozen or so members probably shop at LCBO so what would be the point of shilling here? [cheers.gif]

I believe Baron Herzog has their own winery now but when I was tasting at CCWS in Santa Maria back in 2002 they were making a bunch of wine there and it was cool to see their tanks all sealed up with tape in order to ensure no tampering with the Kosher wine. I am no fan of the Jeunesse Cab but we are continually surprised by how many folks ask for a sweet red table wine so it kills two birds with one stone for me as an easy sell to those people (CA Cab they recognize, and sweet red) as well as anyone who needs it because it is Kosher. As far as the Mevushal process goes, they flash-Pasteurize the wines now and while it certainly must have some type of effect if you tried to age the wines the near-term taste difference is really minimal. If you’re looking for better stuff there are quite a few good French offerings (I see mostly Bordeaux in NY), with the Baron Edmund de Rothschild Haut-Medoc probably the most well-known. Of course every Berserker’s favorite wine writer, Mark Squires, has done quite a good job writing about some of the better wines coming from Israel. Gamla and Yarden are two of the more readily available brands in the US, and I have a brand here in NY called Noah that is quite good as well.

Have a great holiday!

We have been unable to find a truly good Kosher wine. This has been one of the family’s breaks from tradition. May eat Kosher, have a traditional Seder dinner, but the wine must be drinkable and complimentary. I’ve tried several local “Kosher” wines and been unimpressed. They are getting better but nobody has identified the Kosher wine market as being profitable and put the effort into it making stand out wines. The requirements of “Kosher” may also contribute to the demise of an enjoyable Kosher wine with depth and character. While I’m all for tradition, sometimes the world moves on. Things change. Technology improves. Archaic beliefs and tenets need to move forward.

Have the Rabbi bless the bottle you intend to open for Easter/Passover and enjoy life. [cheers.gif]

Brent – Ha ha No I can assure you I do not work in the business and am most definitely not employed by the LCBO. Sorry if the TNs sound a little shilly, I have been trying to seriously tone down the soapboxing and stick to the actual flavors I detect due to previous threads attracting the negative attention of winemakers.

The last time I heavily opined, I attracted some negative attention from some Niagara winemakers themselves and am trying to avoid a repeat. This said, I did sort of opine a bit on both the mixed reaction and my own feelings regarding the Jeunesse Cab Sauv.

In regards to the pricing and LCBO note, I was noting them because I have a tendency to expect higher quality with higher prices (though of course this is not always true) and to make clear that I am getting these samplings at a liquor store as opposed to the optimal conditions of enjoying them in a proper setting. When I sample them directly at a winery itself, I was putting (winery) instead of (LCBO) next to the price in my previous TNs. I also thought price might be good to list if I felt a wine had a high QPR.

However, given what you’re saying here, I should probably just remove the prices and LCBO tag altogether since they make my notes sound like, as you say, shilling for the LCBO. They’ll be gone in the next round of TNs. Thanks for the feedback.

Randy – I would agree with you that the Kosher wine market is far too small a profit generator in order to generate investments in winemaking craft and skills and they have a ways to go still. This said, they have come a long way where at least now they are varied and genuine attempts at winemaking. Still, they will always be somewhat hampered by the need to make them Kosher and will progress ever so slowly. Cheers. [cheers.gif]

[quote=“Tran Bronstein”] I enjoyed it but I agree it is neither a dry wine nor do I think this is a wine Berserkers used to the best California and Niagara Chardonnays and French Chablis would enjoy.

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Niagara Chards? [shock.gif]

Barkan from Israel makes decent wines between $10 - $20. Living in the New York Metro area gives me a wide choice of wine. Also, The Herzog Special Reserve from California is surprisingly good at a ~$30 USD pricepoint.

Randy, call Gary at Skyview Wines in the Bronx NY (Riverdale neighborhood). They’re the #1 Kosher for Passover wine store with the largest selection of wine. I’m sure Gary can turn you on to the name of his (national) distributor.

Hello All,

Please let me start by saying: newhere

My name is David Raccah and I write for a blog called kosherwinemusings.com. I recently wrote an article on on what makes Kosher wine that was posted here on a separate thread.

Tran, many of the wines you tasted were run of the mill kosher wines and are drinkable at best. I would not score a single wine you drank higher than a B to at most B+, for maybe one of them. The real wines out there that are kosher but GREAT in their own right are wines made by:

  1. Herzog Special Edition - only certain ones are really good. The best one that is always safe is the Alexander Valley Cabernet Special Reserve. They also have a LOVELY To-Kalon and Haystack
  2. Hagafen wines - loved by many highly respected wine critics
  3. Yarden wines - not so loved by squires but loved by all others
  4. Capcanes Flor - rated highly by parker
    the list goes on…

Many kosher wineries make baseline wines that are easily approachable by the average palate and then make higher level labels for wine lovers. So for instance, Yarden makes a nice baseline wine called Mount Hermon that would score a B to B+, but their yarden label Merlot is lovely, along with their cabernet, etc.

All the wines you tasted are imported by or created by Royal Wines, which own Herzog Winery. They are the 500 pound Gorilla in the kosher wine market (think Gallo) and they are very much oriented to making baseline wine that works and then moving up to meet the needs and palates of wine lovers.

Please do not use the wines you tasted as a baseline for what kosher wines are. Take a look around on Kosherwine.com or my site, or Gotham Wines in NY or, Daniel Rogov’s books, or Daniel Rogov’s forum, where kosher minded and non kosher wine lovers hand out (WineLovers Discussion Group • View forum - Israeli and Kosher Wine Forum).

There are MANY hundreds of kosher wines out there that will blow your mind and many that will dull it, that is the way of the world, and please understand it before one paints the entire canvas with a single brush!

Dan, the Barkan baseline are drinkable, but the higher level wines are really nice, but the QPR is never so great. Yarden, Galil, Recanati, and others are the clear QPR winners in Israel.

Thanks,
David

Well said David, lots of quality kosher wine out there - shame so many people will taste a $9 Herzog and conclude they all suck.

I spent a fair amount of time over the past month or so getting kosher wines for this Passover. I had 4 friends over last night for dessert and wine, and they all enjoyed what we opened. I too thought all kosher wine was not good, but I have to say I really enjoyed some of the wines we had. Most were not mevushal, I believe the Goosebay PN and Herzog Jeunesse CS are.

2009 Goosebay Cellars Pinot Noir - I had some months ago and enjoyed it, the bottle last night was not what I remembered it to be. Way too jammy. Not awful, but I would think twice after this second bottle last night.

2006 Recanati Cabernet Sauvignon Reserve- definitely WOTN - nice dry red wine - fruit is not over the top, I would open this wine anytime

2006 Golan Heights Winery Yarden Cabernet Sauvignon - more fruit forward than the Recanati, still an enjoyable good quality CS. I’d also not think twice about opening this at any time.

2009 Golan Heights Winery Golan Cabernet Sauvignon - did not know what to expect from this $15.99 wine, but it is a solid Cab. We went today and bought another bottle.

2008 or 9 Herzog Jeunesse Cabernet Sauvignon - not what I expected. Highly fruity and sweet for a CS. Only 12% alcohol, must be high in residual sugar… I wont be replacing this. This is not Mogen David sweet, but too much for me. If I want sweet wine, I get a Reisling or dessert wine.


Yogev Cabernet Sauvignon/Shiraz blend. Another nice surprise. I believe it was about $15 and a good value for that I’d get it again, and would try the Cab/Merlot next time.

I have seen many other Kosher wines at higher prices. I plan to visit Covenant Winery when I go to Napa in July. It is usually highly rated.

Great comments Harris! Indeed the Covenant is a super winery with great wines. M<y friend has a kosher winery called Four Gates Wine (www.fourgateswine.com) and he makes great stuff. The Goose Bay wines are OK, but the 2009 PN was not a huge hit for me. They are making a reserve version of it this year as well. Indeed Yarden/Golan Heights Winery make nice very jammy and fruit forward wines. The Yogev is a hit or miss line, some of the blends are nice, others are complete duds.

David

David, thanks very much for the recommendations. I will definitely give a look at the SAQ in Montreal which has a large Jewish community to see if I can find the ones you mention.

Keith, the LCBO has a monopoly here in Ontario, so the only Kosher wines available to sample are the ones they bring in. They bring in lots of Baron Herzog plus a few others, all in the price range that you mention. Unfortunately, if they don’t bring in any others the Ontario consumer will go through exactly what you posted – taste the Herzogs and figure this is as good as it gets.

Harris, very interesting that your notes on the Herzog Jeunesse Cabernet Sauvignon mimic pretty much exactly what I found. Very sweet, but will likely not appeal to those who are used to real red wine.

I have to echo David Raccah’s comments… There is some very good to excellent kosher wine out there. Unfotunately, if you do not live in LA, Chicago, New York, etc. you might just have to use the Internet to get the wine. This week I have enjoyed 2 great wines, wines that I believe to be on par with any of wines of good quality.


Capcanes Peraj Ha’abib, Flor de Primavera 2008, Spain
This wine was really remarkable for it’s flavor intensity, and the density on the palate. The wine is an unusual blend of Cabernet, Grenache, and Carignan. The nose reveals dark cherry and boysenberry notes wrapped in dark chocolate, with a hint of smoke. Right now on the palate the fruit is bursting forth, and really continues on the finish.

Domaine du Castel , Grand Vin 2007, Israel
This is a Boudreaux blend, and easily beat out the Covenant in a blind tasting. The best descriptor for this wine is balanced. Everything from the fruit, to the oak, tannins and acidity. Really an excellent wine.

Howard

Thanks for posting your notes, Tran.

Kosher wines for Passover, I get; but for Easter? [scratch.gif]

Sorry, Frank, just trying to be inclusive to the gentile population of the Berserkers. :wink:

After going over this thread again and reading David Meccah’s recommendations, on a hunch I just browsed over on the LCBO and SAQ websites and guess what? It turns out both of them carry both Hagafen and Yarden wines! The LCBO, in particular, carries a number of them.

As you gather from my notes above, I sampled these at tastings they were doing leading up to Passover and Easter. So I wonder why on Earth wouldn’t they have pushed Hagafen and Yarden wines? Or even prominently displayed them when I was shopping? Not saying I would’ve necessarily bought them, but it would’ve been great to have sampled them and have the option available. Way to serve the clientele, guys. [swearing.gif]