TN: NV Meiomi Pinot Noir (USA, California, Sonoma County, Sonoma Coast)

[larry_schaffer]

Truer words have never been spoken except for members of the board!

Correction - the VOCAL members of this board. My guess is that there are plenty of lurkers who dig it but are ‘scared’ to voice thier opinions for fear of being ‘judged’ . . .

I get judged regularly for liking shrill, fruitless, acidic Champagne and yet I still poke my head up to have a take on stuff I don’t like, as I did here. I am sure people can withstand my post about calling the Meiomi wine horrible or whatever I said it was.

Larry, by the way I love you man. And I am not afraid to be vocal about it.

Love you too brother - and please don’t hold back and keep vocalizing your thoughts!

Cheers

[Arv_R]

The last time I drank one of these, there was a cola like aspect to it, but sweet - like the blender had made the vat up with 1 part Coke, and 3 parts wine.

But a huge part of the grocery store / Costco wine aisles are now filled with wine product that is sweetish now. I’m excluding the German/Alsatian off dry selections, where that is desirable!

Is Meiomi really non vintage? I had never realized that. I know some of the Prisoner kinds of wines are very cagey/discreet about specifying year/varietal/regions as that gives them the most flexibility for manufacture. And they don’t want to train their customers to become WB style vintage snobs…

[brigcampbell]

^^^ NV and California AVA

They buy from everywhere now

[Bdklein]

The wine is not ‘flawed’ - it just does not show any pinot ‘typicity’. The fact that it is as popular as it is shows how much the average wine consumer knows or, better yet, cares.

Remember, the members of this board, at least the vocal ones I should say, do not represent the ‘average’ wine consumer . . .

Cheers.

I posted this on a Facebook Group and plenty are vocal on how bad it is. There is no hint of acidity. I would say it is a flawed product.

I am looking forward Larry to those wines my brother is sending! Cheers, John

A flaw will be some sort of taint from either flawed winemaking or cork taint. What you described is what it is. Flawed wine? No. To your tastes, not even close. I am more than certain there was some discernible acidity. Just because you didn’t feel the prickle doesn’t mean it’s not there. This is one of those cases where you are applying the subjective to the objective. That’s all well and good, but then why did you give it a 68 if you are claiming it’s flawed?

Read some of his posts and you’ll know why.

[mstockley]

Sweet sells, not only with wine, but also with food.

I have the sense that that is for the average Americans but not necessarily the rest of the world.

[P_Intag]

The last time I drank one of these, there was a cola like aspect to it, but sweet - like the blender had made the vat up with 1 part Coke, and 3 parts wine.

But a huge part of the grocery store / Costco wine aisles are now filled with wine product that is sweetish now. I’m excluding the German/Alsatian off dry selections, where that is desirable!

Is Meiomi really non vintage? I had never realized that. I know some of the Prisoner kinds of wines are very cagey/discreet about specifying year/varietal/regions as that gives them the most flexibility for manufacture. And they don’t want to train their customers to become WB style vintage snobs…

It’s NV only with the most recent incarnations - looks like the latest “Vintage” Meiomi is 2019 if you look at CellarTracker.

It’s amazing to me when you look at the notes on CT that there are so many who like this crap. These are folks who actually spend the time and know about CT – you would think only real wine geeks would actually enter notes on a wine-geeky website. And there are even notes that it is “typical” California Pinot Noir — mind boggling…

[Scott_G_r_u_n_e_r]

It’s a drinkers wine.

[Keith_A_k_e_r_s]

Read some of his posts and you’ll know why.

Oh, I’m well aware that he has an (wrongly placed) obscenely high opinion of himself

[John_Glas]

Not to but . . .

Whenever I see a negative reference to Meiomi Pinot Noir, I think back to when it an enjoyable wine for us that was in our regular rotation. That was maybe 10 or so years ago. I know we stopped drinking it when the wine in the bottle became different. I think that was not long after Constellation brought the brand for a few hundred million dollars.

Probably the same with Prisoner. I am sure when it first came out it was drinkable and was not a sweet treat that it is today. Constellation probably double the production to pay for the investment.

[John_Glas]

The last time I drank one of these, there was a cola like aspect to it, but sweet - like the blender had made the vat up with 1 part Coke, and 3 parts wine.

But a huge part of the grocery store / Costco wine aisles are now filled with wine product that is sweetish now. I’m excluding the German/Alsatian off dry selections, where that is desirable!

Is Meiomi really non vintage? I had never realized that. I know some of the Prisoner kinds of wines are very cagey/discreet about specifying year/varietal/regions as that gives them the most flexibility for manufacture. And they don’t want to train their customers to become WB style vintage snobs…

I looked all over that bottle several times and could not find a vintage. I do see on Cellar Tracker that there are some NV notes. Not sure a vintage would have saved this one.

[John_Glas]

The wine is not ‘flawed’ - it just does not show any pinot ‘typicity’. The fact that it is as popular as it is shows how much the average wine consumer knows or, better yet, cares.

Remember, the members of this board, at least the vocal ones I should say, do not represent the ‘average’ wine consumer . . .

Cheers.

I posted this on a Facebook Group and plenty are vocal on how bad it is. There is no hint of acidity. I would say it is a flawed product.

I am looking forward Larry to those wines my brother is sending! Cheers, John

A flaw will be some sort of taint from either flawed winemaking or cork taint. What you described is what it is. Flawed wine? No. To your tastes, not even close. I am more than certain there was some discernible acidity. Just because you didn’t feel the prickle doesn’t mean it’s not there. This is one of those cases where you are applying the subjective to the objective. That’s all well and good, but then why did you give it a 68 if you are claiming it’s flawed?

It is not flawed as corked or oxidized. A wine that lacks any acidity is a “flaw” in my books.

[John_Glas]

I posted this on a Facebook Group and plenty are vocal on how bad it is. There is no hint of acidity. I would say it is a flawed product.

I am looking forward Larry to those wines my brother is sending! Cheers, John

A flaw will be some sort of taint from either flawed winemaking or cork taint. What you described is what it is. Flawed wine? No. To your tastes, not even close. I am more than certain there was some discernible acidity. Just because you didn’t feel the prickle doesn’t mean it’s not there. This is one of those cases where you are applying the subjective to the objective. That’s all well and good, but then why did you give it a 68 if you are claiming it’s flawed?

Read some of his posts and you’ll know why.

Still waiting for a tasting note from you. Nothing buy negativity from you. So I have some opinions on wine which is the purpose of the board and you just attack people and have really nothing important to say on the board.

[Keith_A_k_e_r_s]

It is not flawed as corked or oxidized. A wine that lacks any acidity is a “flaw” in my books.

That’s not a flaw and I can guarantee you that there is acidity. Again, just because you don’t feel a prickle doesn’t mean it’s not there.

[John_Glas]

It is not flawed as corked or oxidized. A wine that lacks any acidity is a “flaw” in my books.

That’s not a flaw and I can guarantee you that there is acidity. Again, just because you don’t feel a prickle doesn’t mean it’s not there.

Yes I know it is hiding under all the sweetness of the wine. I did three swishes and could not get any sour tastes buds stimulated. I will have to try another bottle maybe. Could have been a non representative bottle of the millions they produce.

[Marc_Hauser]

I posted this on a Facebook Group and plenty are vocal on how bad it is. There is no hint of acidity. I would say it is a flawed product.

I am looking forward Larry to those wines my brother is sending! Cheers, John

A flaw will be some sort of taint from either flawed winemaking or cork taint. What you described is what it is. Flawed wine? No. To your tastes, not even close. I am more than certain there was some discernible acidity. Just because you didn’t feel the prickle doesn’t mean it’s not there. This is one of those cases where you are applying the subjective to the objective. That’s all well and good, but then why did you give it a 68 if you are claiming it’s flawed?

It is not flawed as corked or oxidized. A wine that lacks any acidity is a “flaw” in my books.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[John_Glas]

A flaw will be some sort of taint from either flawed winemaking or cork taint. What you described is what it is. Flawed wine? No. To your tastes, not even close. I am more than certain there was some discernible acidity. Just because you didn’t feel the prickle doesn’t mean it’s not there. This is one of those cases where you are applying the subjective to the objective. That’s all well and good, but then why did you give it a 68 if you are claiming it’s flawed?

It is not flawed as corked or oxidized. A wine that lacks any acidity is a “flaw” in my books.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I know what a flaw is in wine. Maybe I should just say it is terrible in my opinion.

[MChang]

Meiomi used to be ok before constellation bought it. Now it’s awful.

[Marc_Hauser]

It is not flawed as corked or oxidized. A wine that lacks any acidity is a “flaw” in my books.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I know what a flaw is in wine. Maybe I should just say it is terrible in my opinion.

[John_Glas]

So here is a question: Mega Purple is not a flaw like TCA or oxidization so how would one categorize it?

Paging Larry

[David_Bu3ker]

So here is a question: Mega Purple is not a flaw like TCA or oxidization so how would one categorize it?

Paging Larry

It’s an additive.