The Inaugural Michelin Grape Selection

WINE TALK
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OK…I love your above message.

Thanks for making a list.

Here is my take why : Dugat-Py was awareded 3 grapes and Rousseau was awared 1 grape.

I am not familiar with the criteria which was used to award the grapes for the Domaine - for example, should we take a look at all the wines produced ??

My view is : yes. It should be.

For example, I love Rouseau’s wine…but would I buy all his wines ?

What I mean to ask : would you buy a bottle Gevrey by Rousseau or buy a bottle of Gervrey by Dugat-Py ?

How about a Charmes by Rouseau or a Charmes TVV by Dugat-Py ?

For me, if money is not my concern, I just buy Rousseau 2 big wines : Chamabertin and CdBeze.

Just my 2 cents…

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Whole concept is a bit weird. With restaurants, it sort of makes sense because if a restaurant is new or improving it can gain stars, and if it has fallen off, it can lose stars. Quality of a restaurant can be reasonably assessed with multiple visits over a short period. How do you make that decision for winemakers? Let’s say they re-do list in 5 years, do they add or subtract grapes based off 2024-2029 vintages?

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Thanks for the message. Very sorry I really have no answer and no ideas also.

I provide my 2 cents message as I am a follower Rouuseau and Dugat-Py as they are producers in my preferred AC Gevrey.

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Is there an explanation somewhere of who the Official Bikini Inspectors who made these judgments were? Or has Michelin improved the Advocate experience by going from named critics to anonymous?

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From my understanding is Rousseau great with Chambertin, Clos de Beze and Clos St Jacques. The rest for is also good but not special per se.

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Hmmm…I happen to have a good friend who is working as ***an Official Bikini Inspector ** .

Here is what he told me about selection criteria :

(a) what parts of a Bikini suit which do not cover the body-part for public view must be attractive and interesting; and

(b) what parts of a Bikini suit which cover the body-part not for public view must be critical.

I agree 100% of what he said !

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Thanks for agreeing - with my views for Rousseau’s wines. I have not been tracking the **secondary prices = auction prices *** for a long time NOW.

Rousseau has too many g-cru holding and could craft many of them with new wood from 80% to 100% as their 3 big reds : Chambertin CdBeze and CStJ.

To craft 80 to 100% new wood red, need the yield ( or lower yield ) to make sure the finished-bottle of wine is not : an under-wine wine which could not support the new wood.

They could easily order and to increase their new wood regime ( which is 3 year open-air dried Oak Barrel which are very pricey ) to their Charmes and also Ruchotte. To have same profit…they need to increase their released prices of Charmes and Ruchotte - just slightly lower then their 3 big-reds.

To do the above, there is a possible that there will be less demand - in the market - for their big 3 reds.

All the above is just my personal observation which is logical.

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Some people think that… I’ve had a lot of nice experiences with Ruchottes, Cazetiers, and especially CDLR.

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I’m not saying they’re bad wines,far from it.

But I’ve been reading what critics have to say, and their opinion seems to be that the recent vintages haven’t been all that impressive compared to those from other producers. Good? Yes. But not particularly special.

So could it be that people taste a good wine, and because they know it’s from a producer with a great reputation like Rousseau, it makes the wine seem even better? Or is it actually better than what other producers are making?

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Instead of being so negative, let’s try and come up with a better version. a Berserker list I will start off with three grapes, and narrow it down to six producers, and the second tier will be much larger.

Leroy and D’Auvenay
DRC
Rousseau
Coche Dury
Raveneau
Leflaive

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I’d substitute PYCM for Leflaive but otherwise like this list to start.

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If you don’t know anything about Burgundy, are you likely in the market for the three or even 2 star wineries on this list? Maybe movie stars, top tier athletes and tech CEOs at restaurants—maybe.

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Who made a better Chambertin in 17? 19? 22? Leroy? That’s about it. 20-21 weren’t the best vintages for Rousseau but a lot of people didn’t make great wines in those vintages.

In any case I don’t care what critics think, I just drink the wines.

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I think I’d have the exact same list.

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With Jadot and Drouhin :smiley:.

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It was weird seeing this list this morning. I don’t know how I feel. I thought the wine world was shifting away from wine scores and I don’t know what this type of ranking will do in the long term, if anything. What was everyone else’s thoughts? Any surprises? I was happy to see Hubert Lamy got 3 grapes (stars?)

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There’s another thread about this but the biggest hot take was Rousseau

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Yes, absolutely. I work with a ton of them, neither movie stars or CEOs, just people of means who like splurging in restaurants or want to have a nice wine collection. I’m not saying this is where they would think to start, just that this would serve them well.

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Thanks for the additional comments…interesting to note. As I have been away for a long, long while to keep myself up-date regarding Burgundy reviews by wine-critics.

I believe here is the key part : …the recent vintages haven’t been all that impressive compared to those from other producers…

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I realize Raveneau is the consensus king of Chablis but that’s not a reputation I’d expect to see validated in a blind tasting, and certainly not at a level that puts them alongside Leroy and DRC. Leflaive is era-dependent. On the reds, if Rousseau makes the cut, Dujac should too.

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