The 1964 Vintage for Barolo and Barbaresco...Whatup?

I am starting to try more and more of my 1964 Baroli and remaining Barbareschi, and I have been fortunate enough to source small quantities of some other 1964s here, including the Cappellano Barolo, the G. Mascarello normale and Riserva and a few bottles of the Produttori Barbaresco Riserva Speciale. I have (or have had) the Monfortino and G. Conterno Barolo, the Aldo Conterno Barolo Riserva Speciale, the Bartolo Cannubi and all of the Giacosas. I suppose that it would be even more useful if we add Ghemme and Gattinara to the discussion as well.

In 1991, the late and great Sheldon Wasserman, in the second and final edition of his seminal work, “Italy’s Noble Red Wines”, felt that the 1989 Nebbiolo vintage was in a class by itself (a case that some might still make, and with good authority), followed by these tiers:

1990, 1985, 1971, 1958

1988, 1982

1986, 1978, 1947

1970, 1964, 1955

1961, 1957

1979, 1967

1987, 1974

(None of the other vintages below these are of general interest, and Wasserman died without being able to taste the 1996s or any of the vintages of the new milennium that get votes for classic Nebbiolo vintage status.)

We now have over two additional decades of tasting experience for old Nebbiolo, and I think that few would agree that Sheldon’s vintage assessments have stood the test of time, although his assessments of producers and particular wines surely have in so many cases. For me, the top tier would be shared among 1996, 1989, 1978, 1971 and 1964 for sure, perhaps 1982 as well, with 1985 and 1961 near-misses, with the understanding that such lists are not particularly important to understanding great Nebbiolo. (I will let the jury stay out a while longer on 2001, 2004 and 2006, although I have bought all three vintages.) I am curious as to whether those with good experience with the 1964 vintage believe that it, too, belongs at or near the top. We know from Wasserman (again, as published in 1991) that the Marchesi di Barolo thought 1964 to be an exceptional vintage, and Renato Ratti rated it the best between 1947 and 1971, high praise indeed. (I probably agree.) Alfredo Currado said that 1964 was on a par with 1961 and 1967, and Giuseppe Rinaldi picked it as the best of the decade and on a par with 1971. I can say with confidence that it has no damn business being on the line with 1970 and 1955, and even though 1985, 1986, 1988 and 1990 produced some good to outstanding wines, none of those strike me as long-haulers of the likes of 1964, 1971, 1978, 1989 and 1996. And with another two decades gone by, more 1958s appear to be shot than not today, and pre-60s bottles are pretty much a total provenance crapshoot, regardless of earlier perceived vintage quality. Based upon my experiences, it seems that 1964 has taken (or is still taking!) a lot longer to come around than either 1961 or 1971, although 1978 is generally slower still (and for me, probably the greatest vintage that I will ever taste, almost across the board).

But I digress. The real question is: how good are the 1964 Nebbioli in the grand scheme of things, with focus on complexity, comparative quality, relative maturity, potential longevity and the like? I’m verklempt. Talk amongst yourselves…

I very much wish I was in a position to say anything useful here. While I have come to love Nebbiolo more than all other grapes, I have never had a 1964 Nebbioli, or for that matter any Nebbiolo older than 1978 (of which I have had only 2, with a third bottle ready to be opened in two weeks for my wife’s 35th birthday). I do hope there are others with sufficient context and experience to chime in. Discussions of old Nebbiolo are among my favorite WB topics to enjoy as a lurker with aspirations to someday be a more meaningful participant.

I have been lucky enough to have had perhaps a dozen Piedmonte wines from each of 1961, 1964 and 1967. Apocalypse time I’d reach for a 1967; recognizing that my experience may just be related to provenance.

All blessings to the "late and great Mr. Wasserman,"but his rankings have no relevance to my tasting/drinking preferences.I clearly don’t see all of his 2nd and 3rd tier wines ahead of 78,nor 61 in the same breath as 57,nor 86,79 and 55 ahead of 74.To me,little of these rankings make sense other than 89 being unique…

Like Glenn,I’m a big fan of 67,but 64 is also high in my pantheon.
64 was superb for both Mascarelli,especially Bartolo (well stored bottles have been stunning),G. Conterno’s Monfortino with the “normale” not too far behind,surely the Cappellano is exceptional …along with GRinaldi’s Barolo which,along with the 67,are outstanding.

I’ve been drinking the 64 Cappellano for 10+ years,and every bottle has proved to be nothing short of special and delightful.A delicacy unto itself,much like great years of Bartolo…

Too early to tell for me where the 96 will fit in with the other heavyweights.

Sheldon Wasserman’s book is a great undertaking, but he clearly had little clue for the quality of vintages in Barolo and Barbaresco back then (or perhaps things just look differently with distance)- as folks here seem to agree. 1964 is right up there with the greatest of the post-war period and probably superior by a hair to both 1978 and 1971 (though, to be fair, both fo those two vintages are still a tad young- particularly 1978- and they may eventually catch the 1964s). Perhaps the benefit of the passage of time since Mr. Wasserman was last writing in 1991 assists in getting a bit clearer perspective on the relative merits of Piemontese vintages, but his list is really rather wrong. I would rank 1989 right up there with 1964, 1971 and 1978, and perhaps the 1996s will catch up with these with another couple of decades of bottle age. The next step down- though still very top vintages for me would be 1999, 1982, 2001, 1958, 1967 and 1961. I have had very good luck with the '58s I have had in the last few years, and if the provenance is good on the bottle, chances are the wine will still be drinking close to its apogee of peak maturity. The next step down in vintages- but still excellent, would be 1970, 1985, 2004, 1974, 2006, 1988 and 2005. The 1990s are okay, but overrated and fast maturing (like so many other regions in this almost universally over-praised year)- I actually prefer a lot of the '93s, '86s and '79s to their counterparts in 1990!

Congratulations Bill on snaring a goodly parcel of the '64s- they are (along with '89) my absolute favorite vintage from the region, and I would suggest that a great many of the wines are still a tad on the young side and will continue to improve with further bottle age.

All the Best,

John

The 64 Bartolo, Monfortino, and Giacosa Santo Stefano Riserva Speciale are all inner circle members of my Nebbiolo Hall of Fame. For pre-91 vintages I would say only 71, 78 and 89 are on par with 64.

Enough with the incorrect pluralizations. Drives me nuts. :slight_smile:

Why did Conterno not make a Monfortino in 89 ?

Is(are) nuts singular or plural?

No no. You’re thinking of nutz.

From Ken’s wonderful http://www.finewinegeek.com/:

“On the other hand, no Monfortino was made in 1989, arguably the best vintage in Barolo between 1978 and 1996. The reason for this is not entirely clear. Giovanni Conterno has stated that it did not have the requisite balance. I’ve wondered if that was a euphemism for something worse that happened as the wine was developing. The Cascina Francia vineyard was hit hard by hail early in 1989. Initially, Giovanni said he might make no wine at all in 1989! Eventually, he bottled a Cascina Francia, but at about 30% of his normal total production of Barolo. Thankfully, he did, because it’s quite a wonderful bottle of wine. Perhaps not among the best Monfortinos, but among the best Cascina Francia certainly.”

What incorrect pluralizations? I can only assume that you are NOT referring to Baroli, Barbareschi or Nebbioli, all of which are quite correct Italian. I have no idea what the plurals would be in English. Damn language is too irregular to be understood by a simple Piemontese contadino like myself…

Well,Bill,there are a few around here who don’t believe your usage is correct…but I would not be one of them.
One can always argue about patois and regional irregularities…or not.

But as we both know, you cannot argue with a straight face about the rules of Italian grammar. You can’t make yourself no Eye-talian plurals by slapping esses on the ends of words. Not even in Piemontese. This battle is won. We need to take the fight to the word “Euro”. 10 Euro or 10 Euros? The relative regularity of Italian grammar will not save us here!

The same people who do not believe that my usage is correct are probably British sympathizers. Those are the damn people that gave us “Turin”, “Padua” and “Genoa” and “Genoese” and “Piedmontese”, all of which may be correct in English but grate upon the ear…

Si,certo!
All I need to know is that when my Mother used to ask my Father to go and get more than 1 bottle of barolo,she used…Baroli,and the rest follows suit…but she was not piemontese…

Maybe in dialect. But in National language you’d never do ANY of those. Especially Barbareschi. No Italian words are pluralized with “hi” - unless, as I said, it’s some dialect.

Barbareschi
Italian[edit]

Noun[edit]
Barbareschi m
Plural form of Barbaresco
Category: Italian plurals

We know barbaresco as a wine,but Barbareschi is also Barbary,as in the Barbary pirates,as in Storia delle invasioni degli Arabi e delle piraterie dei barbareschi in Sardegna,a sentence chock full of plurals…so your statement "No Italian words are pluralized with “hi” is incorrect.You can only get into trouble when you attempt to stipulate without exception word usage,especially singular and plural in Italian,not to mention several other languages,like english for example…

Thanks Bill. Thank you Ken also.

Giovanni’s decision to not go for an 89 Monfortino will always be shrouded in mystery just as Giacosa’s decision to declassify,sell off juice in bulk and not go forward with 06s.There is plenty of conjecture for both that I have heard,but ultimately we may never be sure.The only interesting glimmer is that the father Conterno assented to a superb Cascina Francia while Bruno…or somebody, did not allow the 06s to come to fruition…

Well, this is 1 more data point. I’d buy this wine again. Tuscan Vines: Bold. Borgogno. Barolo.