So getting into burgundy the past few years and I see this domain gets pretty uniformly high scores from NM, JM, Burghound. NM even compares them to Mugneret-Gibourg!
WK hasn’t reported a note a since the ‘15 vintage, but seems less enthusiastic with “stylish” and “modern” descriptors. Seeing a few offers on the recent releases so curious other experiences.
Anyone have a good grasp on the style?
Have only had one bottle a few years ago, the 2017 Echezeaux. I rated it well (93). Looking back at my tasting note, I used descriptors such as “heavier”, “med+ body”, “oak influenced mouthfeel”, “creamy”, “no overt vanilla note from the oak, but could be coming out with air”, “very approachable in youth”.
Generally speaking my impression is a more extracted, darker, richer, polished, wood influenced wine than say a winemaker with much lighter, purer touch. A Burgundy with some Bordeaux influence, if you will.
Just one opinion informed by one bottle a few years back.
I can relate experiences from the 2017 and 2018 Vosne Rom villages wines. If I had to typify the whole estate style I’d agree with @Shan_A — the 2018 VR was even more along those lines than the 2017. However there seems to be quite a bit of variation in winemaking between vintages and between wines in the same vintage. To take two examples: the 2018 VR had more vanilla (and also a lot more Vosne spice) than the 2017 VR. Having also had the 2017 Bourgogne, the 2017s in general (note small sample size of 2 wines and no 1er or GC) exhibit more minerality and taste less extracted/ ripe than the 2018s. I think there is quite a lot of variation within cuvées and across vintages re: % whole clusters.
They’re good wines, not the next superstars yet but relatively good quality for the price (IMO). But I don’t have a data point yet higher up the real estate value pyramid.
I like CLF wines a lot; they have incredible holdings, and a young winemaker who’s friends with Charles lachaux, Nico rossignol, etc. my favorite wine from the domaine is the vosne 1er but the ge are also outstanding.
I had only one wine a good 7-8 years ago, Chambolle Village 2013, I would say quite red-fruited, silky texture, a bit of oak, notecible acidity (maybe due to the vintage), good balance, only medium length, nice but not really impressive then, so I didn’t persue this producer further
Btw I just read that their vosne romanee 1er is a blend of beaux monts and echezeaux.
It’s a unique domaine because they have holdings in clos st denis, clos de la roche, echezeaux, and GE, which is pretty unusual.
I believe that Sebastien Cathiard is one of his besties. Similar style, which to me is a good thing! Slightly hedonistic …
Any view to how recent vintages will age? Eg 2019s? My starting assumption is the wines are intended to be drunk young
I don’t think you’d go wrong in drinking them early like other 19s but I think they’ll age just fine.
I agree, even in the cheap seats. (I own some 1er and GC but haven’t tried them yet — good to know about VR 1er as that is one of the holdings!)
Been tasting some of his wines. The most impressive was the 2017 Charmes Chambertin in which he captured all the subtlety and elegance of the vineyard. Definitely GC weight but true to the vintage.
2017 Vosne village had lifted airy feel with great perfume. Good clarity on the fruit, quite pure.
The 2016 Echezeaux on the other hand was as others described. Rich and extracted. I wouldn’t go as far as comparing it to Bordeaux but definitely well-balanced dark fruit. More violets than roses on the nose.
Not too experienced in Mugneret-Gibourg but when compared to Cathiard, it definitely has a similar feel. Just lacks the completeness and I would say Cathiard wines tend have brighter clarity on the fruit. Possibly due to stem inclusion in Coquard wines?
Very good wines, Cathiard is just better in terms of balance, fruit clarity/purity and completeness. At least for my palate.
Hope this helps.
I definitely wouldn’t group clf with mg; Cathiard, more so, especially with more recent vintages.
Thanks everyone. All very helpful. I have to admit Cathiard is not a style I pursue in burgundy–however my experience is colored by the lesser wines. 1er and above are priced outside my comfort zone and haven’t had any recent examples.
Just finished my first ”CLF”, 2021 Morey St Denis. While pretty and enjoyable, it missed a little bit of tension/structure for my Burgundy taste. I’ll wait some years with my second bottle, but do not expect miracles. Considering the vintage and appellation, I can still imagine that there are bigger wines in the portfolio that hit my spot.
@Steve_McL blinded me last week on a 20 CqL Vosne Romanee that was pretty kick ass, esp for a 20. I’m paying attention…
I have just one note- for the 2020 Echezeaux- as follows,
rich deep purple red color, on opening a grand nose of ripe primary berry and cherry, the intensity of the vintage but lacking the stewed plum quality so present in many young 2020s, on the palate aggressive and grand in scale for an Echezeaux (possibly due solely to the vintage), but with classic restraint and a very punchy and sexy character in the vein of the superb bottling by Emmanuel Rouget, 5 hours later the nose has closed a bit and the palate is downright forbidding- the fruit is open but the tannins and structure have taken center stage, a liqueur note on the dense palate of berry and cherry, most notable- and wonderful- is a broad array of cinnamon and baking spices that have developed and point to this being quite a beautiful creature when it matures, for now- despite lacking some of the vintage’s excesses- this is very much a 2020 and one to lock away for a good long while.
( ***** ), 2036++
I think it is perilous to specifically assess the style of a Domaine one one TN from a vintage with a very strong personality, but even so I would generally say this is definitely in a bigger style, but with the balance and terroir expression to age quite well. For me personally, now that versions I have long loved like Dujac and Rouget are becoming more readily available at release again, I have not made a great effort to secure quantities of Coquard Loison Fleurot, but they are certainly worth checking out.
FWIW- Good sized quantities of recent vintages of these wines have been coming to auction and selling for very good prices. I think it is more about the market than the quality, so it is a very good time to get the wines- save for the very rare Clos St. Denis- for incredibly low prices for quality premier and grand crus.
GE is quite pricey too. B21 has a couple bottles of the 22 CSD for 399 on prearrival, not bad.
GE= Grands Echezeaux? If so, did not know that was in their portfolio. I was focused on the MSD wines.
Yeah they have grands echezeaux, CdlR, ech, csd, vosne 1er (probably the real sleeper in their lineup).